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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is notorious for being miserable. Sorry you had a sad, joyless four years of college. Denial ain’t just a river.

And yes I loved my time there. Glad miserable clowns like you were avoided.

Sounds like Bloomberg had a good experience there. Actually, every single Hopkins alum I have met has had a wonderful, life-changing experience at Hopkins.

Does alum include everyone I know who transferred out so they could actually have fun?

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is notorious for being miserable. Sorry you had a sad, joyless four years of college. Denial ain’t just a river.

And yes I loved my time there. Glad miserable clowns like you were avoided.

Sounds like Bloomberg had a good experience there. Actually, every single Hopkins alum I have met has had a wonderful, life-changing experience at Hopkins.

In fairness, most kids when they finish 4 years at any college has had life changing experiences. A lot of growing up and making life long connections tend to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is notorious for being miserable. Sorry you had a sad, joyless four years of college. Denial ain’t just a river.

And yes I loved my time there. Glad miserable clowns like you were avoided.

Sounds like Bloomberg had a good experience there. Actually, every single Hopkins alum I have met has had a wonderful, life-changing experience at Hopkins.

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is notorious for being miserable. Sorry you had a sad, joyless four years of college. Denial ain’t just a river.

And yes I loved my time there. Glad miserable clowns like you were avoided.

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins is notorious for being miserable. Sorry you had a sad, joyless four years of college. Denial ain’t just a river.

It's a good thing kids don't take advice from the overaged millenials and boomers on here. Really sad and pathetic.

Hopkins is notorious for being miserable. Sorry you had a sad, joyless four years of college. Denial ain’t just a river.

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Anonymous wrote:CMU
JHU
Cornell
Chicago

Basically schools with a higher concentration of students who have been doing Kumon or other forms of tutoring and prepping since 3rd grade

With the Bloomberg money, JHU is no longer a grind school. Kids are highly collaborative and social. A vibrant community, a beautiful campus, modern buildings and labs.

Cash has no impact on applicants’ lifelong ethos

hopkins being cited as a grind school is hilarious when the average GPA is now an overinflated 3.8. Hasn't been cut throat for a long long time now.

Hopkins has always been a miserable place to go to school. Intense pre-meds with a chip on their shoulder because they couldn't get into Ivies. With some lax players mixed in for giggles.

sorry for your rejection 20 years ago.

I agree Hopkins seems like an awful place to spend 4 years.

Keep replying to yourself. can't turn back time unfortunately.

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Anonymous wrote:CMU
JHU
Cornell
Chicago

Basically schools with a higher concentration of students who have been doing Kumon or other forms of tutoring and prepping since 3rd grade

With the Bloomberg money, JHU is no longer a grind school. Kids are highly collaborative and social. A vibrant community, a beautiful campus, modern buildings and labs.

Cash has no impact on applicants’ lifelong ethos

hopkins being cited as a grind school is hilarious when the average GPA is now an overinflated 3.8. Hasn't been cut throat for a long long time now.

Hopkins has always been a miserable place to go to school. Intense pre-meds with a chip on their shoulder because they couldn't get into Ivies. With some lax players mixed in for giggles.

sorry for your rejection 20 years ago.

I agree Hopkins seems like an awful place to spend 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:CMU
JHU
Cornell
Chicago

Basically schools with a higher concentration of students who have been doing Kumon or other forms of tutoring and prepping since 3rd grade

With the Bloomberg money, JHU is no longer a grind school. Kids are highly collaborative and social. A vibrant community, a beautiful campus, modern buildings and labs.

Cash has no impact on applicants’ lifelong ethos

hopkins being cited as a grind school is hilarious when the average GPA is now an overinflated 3.8. Hasn't been cut throat for a long long time now.

Hopkins has always been a miserable place to go to school. Intense pre-meds with a chip on their shoulder because they couldn't get into Ivies. With some lax players mixed in for giggles.

sorry for your rejection 20 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:CMU
JHU
Cornell
Chicago

Basically schools with a higher concentration of students who have been doing Kumon or other forms of tutoring and prepping since 3rd grade

With the Bloomberg money, JHU is no longer a grind school. Kids are highly collaborative and social. A vibrant community, a beautiful campus, modern buildings and labs.

Cash has no impact on applicants’ lifelong ethos

hopkins being cited as a grind school is hilarious when the average GPA is now an overinflated 3.8. Hasn't been cut throat for a long long time now.

Hopkins has always been a miserable place to go to school. Intense pre-meds with a chip on their shoulder because they couldn't get into Ivies. With some lax players mixed in for giggles.

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Anonymous wrote:CMU
JHU
Cornell
Chicago

Basically schools with a higher concentration of students who have been doing Kumon or other forms of tutoring and prepping since 3rd grade

With the Bloomberg money, JHU is no longer a grind school. Kids are highly collaborative and social. A vibrant community, a beautiful campus, modern buildings and labs.

Cash has no impact on applicants’ lifelong ethos

hopkins being cited as a grind school is hilarious when the average GPA is now an overinflated 3.8. Hasn't been cut throat for a long long time now.

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Anonymous wrote:To me it means a school where there is no work life balance. Kids are overworked and living with a lot of anxiety; they are not learning for the sake of knowledge, discovery and innovation, but to get good grades and stay afloat.

I always wonder if these kids graduate to become leaders and bosses, or if they simply transition to become work horses in the work place.

Basically the college version of TJ, Stuyvesant, etc.

TJ and Stuy produced way more successful “leaders and bosses” than any TT private schools.

Not sure if this is true proportionately. Sure TJ Stuy could have more in absolutely number bc the class size is literally 10x that of a private HS.

Also am noticing the kids who went from Stuy to LACs and HYP are more likely to become leaders. The Stuy kids who went to CMU or even MIT work for those leaders

Exactly. If you want your kid to be a CEO/Bulge Bracket MD/PE Partner/Big Law Partner (which is the definition of "making it" for many of us), they are much more likely to get there from a good private than TJ or Stuy. I'm guessing half the kids and families at TJ and Stuy have no idea what these things even are. But as you noted, given the huge size of these schools, there definitely will be plenty of kids who do accomplish this. But most of them are the kids of white collar professionals.

None of this is true other than likely the kids family doesn’t know about it. When they get to college, there’s no difference, because many students are trying to get into these top firms. The information eventually reaches these students and they’re much better grinders than private school kids.

More often than not, TJ/Stuy kids end up in the front office, private kids in the back office but their parents can still claim they are on their way to "PE Partner".

Law is essentially a grind contest, LSAT, GPA, billable hours, clients you bring in. Not for the faint of heart.

Actually the opposite is school. Front office rewards soft skills which TJ/Stuy kids tend to lack (again, there are plenty of exceptions to the rule on both sides before you get your panties in a bunch). Except I wouldn't say that TJ/Stuy end up in back office. They just don't end up in the elite front office. Not sure what you do but most of the people I know in these types of elite roles come from money so know how to act the part.

I'm guessing you are a TJ/Stuy parent who has never worked in the elite world or interacted with these people and seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about it. Rather than broadcasting your ignorance, just stay quiet and learn. You are really proving my point.

DP

I don't know what this front office/back office bullshit is but I am biglaw and there are plenty of public school kids in the partnership. I'd say the ratio of public school kids in the partnership approximates the ratio of public school kids in ivy. I went to Stuy then ivy/ivy college/law school and there more kids from stuy at top schools than almost every other school. My kid went to TJ and I think he would laugh at your characterization of where the TJ students end up. There is a reason why there is a Jane Street lounge at TJ, the TJ, MIT Jane Street pipeline is a real thing. Same for MBB, bulge bracket, and pretty much everything in tech and finance. Everywhere you go, you will find Stuy and TJ grads.

The average pre-2020 TJ grad will probably has career results that are every bit as good as sidwell.

Why are people so obsessed with Jane Street? I don't get it. I know one kid who ended up there - went to an mid-tier NYC private then an Ivy. But is that really the be all, end all?

The PP was not saying that no alums from TJ/Stuy go on to these types of roles. Just that there are many who don't. And many kids from TT privates also don't.

You are a talented lawyer. Take what someone else is saying then change it slightly to achieve your goals. Bravo. W&C? Skadden? C&B? Your partners would be proud. Who did you bill for the time spent on this? The billable amount probably could have covered a TJ kid's first flight to MIT.

I don't know why people reference Jane Street vs. Citadel or Point72 or [INSERT HEDGE FUND HERE].

I guess I just find it odd that Finance is used as an example where people in front offices of "elite" firms need to be polished or sophisticated. That really only matters if your job is mainly securing money from LPs, not if you are actually closing the deals or making the trades in a hedge fund.

The people making the huge $$$s come from all stripes, though they tend to come from elite colleges regardless of HS. You have the Blackstone founder attending Queens public school then Yale, Goldman CEO attending Scarsdale public school then Hamilton and HBS, Point72 founder attending LI public school then Penn...and then you also have I am sure plenty of private HS kids as well who go on to do great things.

It's actually not a great industry to make either point for or against private or public HS.

Anonymous wrote:Hopkins premed, CMU SCS, Cornell engineering, are epitome of grinder schools. Rigorous curriculum, harsh curve, cutthroat culture, a combination of these.

This seems outdated for the above. Did you attend any of these schools within the past decade?

Anonymous wrote:Cornell, CMU, Berkley and MIT are all grind schools.

MIT is known as "TJ 2.0 The College Years".

My Grind Schools (These also happen to be the Top 5 Engineering Schools according to USNWR and I consider Engineering to be a major grind. Add these schools at the top in the country for Engineering...this is my grind list)
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#1Massachusetts Institute of Technology
#2 Stanford
#3 Georgia tech
#3 Cal Berkely
#4 Cal Tech

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Anonymous wrote:To me it means a school where there is no work life balance. Kids are overworked and living with a lot of anxiety; they are not learning for the sake of knowledge, discovery and innovation, but to get good grades and stay afloat.

I always wonder if these kids graduate to become leaders and bosses, or if they simply transition to become work horses in the work place.

Basically the college version of TJ, Stuyvesant, etc.

TJ and Stuy produced way more successful “leaders and bosses” than any TT private schools.

Not sure if this is true proportionately. Sure TJ Stuy could have more in absolutely number bc the class size is literally 10x that of a private HS.

Also am noticing the kids who went from Stuy to LACs and HYP are more likely to become leaders. The Stuy kids who went to CMU or even MIT work for those leaders

Exactly. If you want your kid to be a CEO/Bulge Bracket MD/PE Partner/Big Law Partner (which is the definition of "making it" for many of us), they are much more likely to get there from a good private than TJ or Stuy. I'm guessing half the kids and families at TJ and Stuy have no idea what these things even are. But as you noted, given the huge size of these schools, there definitely will be plenty of kids who do accomplish this. But most of them are the kids of white collar professionals.

None of this is true other than likely the kids family doesn’t know about it. When they get to college, there’s no difference, because many students are trying to get into these top firms. The information eventually reaches these students and they’re much better grinders than private school kids.

More often than not, TJ/Stuy kids end up in the front office, private kids in the back office but their parents can still claim they are on their way to "PE Partner".

Law is essentially a grind contest, LSAT, GPA, billable hours, clients you bring in. Not for the faint of heart.

Actually the opposite is school. Front office rewards soft skills which TJ/Stuy kids tend to lack (again, there are plenty of exceptions to the rule on both sides before you get your panties in a bunch). Except I wouldn't say that TJ/Stuy end up in back office. They just don't end up in the elite front office. Not sure what you do but most of the people I know in these types of elite roles come from money so know how to act the part.

I'm guessing you are a TJ/Stuy parent who has never worked in the elite world or interacted with these people and seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about it. Rather than broadcasting your ignorance, just stay quiet and learn. You are really proving my point.

DP

I don't know what this front office/back office bullshit is but I am biglaw and there are plenty of public school kids in the partnership. I'd say the ratio of public school kids in the partnership approximates the ratio of public school kids in ivy. I went to Stuy then ivy/ivy college/law school and there more kids from stuy at top schools than almost every other school. My kid went to TJ and I think he would laugh at your characterization of where the TJ students end up. There is a reason why there is a Jane Street lounge at TJ, the TJ, MIT Jane Street pipeline is a real thing. Same for MBB, bulge bracket, and pretty much everything in tech and finance. Everywhere you go, you will find Stuy and TJ grads.

The average pre-2020 TJ grad will probably has career results that are every bit as good as sidwell.

Why are people so obsessed with Jane Street? I don't get it. I know one kid who ended up there - went to an mid-tier NYC private then an Ivy. But is that really the be all, end all?

The PP was not saying that no alums from TJ/Stuy go on to these types of roles. Just that there are many who don't. And many kids from TT privates also don't.

You are a talented lawyer. Take what someone else is saying then change it slightly to achieve your goals. Bravo. W&C? Skadden? C&B? Your partners would be proud. Who did you bill for the time spent on this? The billable amount probably could have covered a TJ kid's first flight to MIT.