Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

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Anonymous wrote:The AI summary of PISA scores; basically the only way to accurately compare academic performance across countries:
“ In the 2022 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), U.S. students' performance varied significantly by race. Asian students scored 578 in mathematics, 579 in reading, and 561 in science, placing them at the top internationally in all three subjects. White students scored 537 in mathematics, 537 in reading, and 537 in science, ranking among the highest performers globally. The U.S. overall average was 465 in mathematics, 504 in reading, and 499 in science, with Hispanic students scoring 471 in mathematics, 481 in reading, and 471 in science. Black students scored 445 in mathematics, 459 in reading, and 445 in science. Students of more than one race scored 513 in mathematics, 512 in reading, and 513 in science. These results indicate that while Asian and White students in the U.S. performed at levels comparable to top-performing countries, the overall U.S. average is influenced by lower scores among Hispanic and Black students.”

This is stupid.

You’re comparing results for our high-socioeconomic status groups with results for average students in other countries. If you want to show that white U.S. students are great, you need to compare them with the high-SES students in the other countries, not the average students.

What? This is comparing the scores of all white students in US; WV, Alabama etc included. US whites scored slightly worse than Japan, but better than Korea, Canada, Australia, Finland, the UK etc. Throwing out the breakout by race, the US flat out scored better than Sweden, Austria, Germany, France, Norway and the Netherlands. US Hispanics performed better than kids in Iceland.

Fact of the matter is, the educational system in the US is doing very well, and there are a ton of smart kids here.

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Anonymous wrote:The AI summary of PISA scores; basically the only way to accurately compare academic performance across countries:
“ In the 2022 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), U.S. students' performance varied significantly by race. Asian students scored 578 in mathematics, 579 in reading, and 561 in science, placing them at the top internationally in all three subjects. White students scored 537 in mathematics, 537 in reading, and 537 in science, ranking among the highest performers globally. The U.S. overall average was 465 in mathematics, 504 in reading, and 499 in science, with Hispanic students scoring 471 in mathematics, 481 in reading, and 471 in science. Black students scored 445 in mathematics, 459 in reading, and 445 in science. Students of more than one race scored 513 in mathematics, 512 in reading, and 513 in science. These results indicate that while Asian and White students in the U.S. performed at levels comparable to top-performing countries, the overall U.S. average is influenced by lower scores among Hispanic and Black students.”

This is stupid.

You’re comparing results for our high-socioeconomic status groups with results for average students in other countries. If you want to show that white U.S. students are great, you need to compare them with the high-SES students in the other countries, not the average students.

What? This is comparing the scores of all white students in US; WV, Alabama etc included. US whites scored slightly worse than Japan, but better than Korea, Canada, Australia, Finland, the UK etc. Throwing out the breakout by race, the US flat out scored better than Sweden, Austria, Germany, France, Norway and the Netherlands. US Hispanics performed better than kids in Iceland.

Fact of the matter is, the educational system in the US is doing very well, and there are a ton of smart kids here.

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Anonymous wrote:The AI summary of PISA scores; basically the only way to accurately compare academic performance across countries:
“ In the 2022 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), U.S. students' performance varied significantly by race. Asian students scored 578 in mathematics, 579 in reading, and 561 in science, placing them at the top internationally in all three subjects. White students scored 537 in mathematics, 537 in reading, and 537 in science, ranking among the highest performers globally. The U.S. overall average was 465 in mathematics, 504 in reading, and 499 in science, with Hispanic students scoring 471 in mathematics, 481 in reading, and 471 in science. Black students scored 445 in mathematics, 459 in reading, and 445 in science. Students of more than one race scored 513 in mathematics, 512 in reading, and 513 in science. These results indicate that while Asian and White students in the U.S. performed at levels comparable to top-performing countries, the overall U.S. average is influenced by lower scores among Hispanic and Black students.”

This is stupid.

You’re comparing results for our high-socioeconomic status groups with results for average students in other countries. If you want to show that white U.S. students are great, you need to compare them with the high-SES students in the other countries, not the average students.

Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

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Anonymous wrote:The National Assessment of Educational Progress ("The Nation's Report Card") found that nearly half of high school seniors are testing below a basic level in both subjects, with reading scores hitting a historic low since testing began in 1992.

Have you compared the same clusters to the bottom of the rest of the world?

If you compare the top students globally, I’m fairly confident that the best students in the U.S. can easily outperform those from other countries. First, top U.S. students tend to be exceptionally skilled at multitasking, unlike many top students abroad who focus solely on academics. We also have top students who are Olympiad medalists and others who begin their entrepreneurial journeys at a very young age.

You just can’t oversimplify things by saying that young people are “dumb.” That’s such an irresponsible and generalized statement — it completely overlooks the talent, creativity, and drive that so many young people demonstrate every day.

What gives you this confidence? I have a niece and nephew in another country and I know there is no way my own kids (who are among the best students in their high school) could compete with them. The other system is brutal and to become the best demands a type of hard work my own kids never needed to do.

Anonymous wrote:So we should listen to you since your feelings are hurt and not to what testing is showing us.

Ok.

Listen to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Bold part is the key part.

Also, since the USA has one of the highest I.Q. rates in the world, along with Japan and China and perhaps a couple countries such as Switzerland, how exactly are immigrants from any other countries supposed to increase the national I.Q. level? T

hat's absurd, I.Q. levels would drop even more if most immigrants are not from those specific countries, unless all immigration is stopped and only really intelligent people are allowed in.

Anonymous wrote:The AI summary of PISA scores; basically the only way to accurately compare academic performance across countries:
“ In the 2022 Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA), U.S. students' performance varied significantly by race. Asian students scored 578 in mathematics, 579 in reading, and 561 in science, placing them at the top internationally in all three subjects. White students scored 537 in mathematics, 537 in reading, and 537 in science, ranking among the highest performers globally. The U.S. overall average was 465 in mathematics, 504 in reading, and 499 in science, with Hispanic students scoring 471 in mathematics, 481 in reading, and 471 in science. Black students scored 445 in mathematics, 459 in reading, and 445 in science. Students of more than one race scored 513 in mathematics, 512 in reading, and 513 in science. These results indicate that while Asian and White students in the U.S. performed at levels comparable to top-performing countries, the overall U.S. average is influenced by lower scores among Hispanic and Black students.”

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Anonymous wrote:Response to COVID proved we have done a serious disservice the USA citizens in the field of science. It’s not just the youth. So many people just don’t have the knowledge to understand basic scientific facts.
It’s time we fixed that.

I agree with this, but I disagree with those who spread a false narrative that generalizes everyone — that’s simply not true. Instead of calling our people dumb or incompetent, why not focus on providing real solutions? What’s wrong with recognizing genuine merit? Providing good education and recognizing there are authentically competitive, smart young people are not in conflict.

When 50% of the students are not performing, we need to recognize that we have failed them. I'm never in favor of calling kids dumb. That's is counterproductive and it doesn't achieve anything. However, they are NOT performing at the level they should be. That's our failure, not theirs. Our kids would be competitive and perform just as well if we demanded it of them.

Or maybe you should look to see whether we are teaching them the right things. Why does everyone need to be taught calculus?

Only certain careers need calculus and it’s not taken by all high schoolers.

Colleges look at calculus as a marker of a student's ability to understand complex abstract concepts.

Why can't they look to English for that?

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Anonymous wrote:CNN:

“She graduated from a Connecticut High School with Honors, But She Cannot Read”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/27/us/connecticut-aleysha-ortiz-illiterate-lawsuit-cec

What about the Math or Physics competition winners? What about sports competitions? The bottom does not represent all

Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.

Anonymous wrote:Not all American youth are uneducated or incapable. Recent posts and social media narratives paint a this picture — suggesting that America’s future is doomed and that only immigrants can fill skilled jobs. This is simply not true.

Despite the shortcomings of the K–12 education system, many intelligent, hardworking, and talented young Americans continue to excel across a wide range of fields — including the children of immigrants.

Please stop spreading the false narrative that Americans are “dumb.” The challenges posed by technology (games or social media obsessions) and modern society exist everywhere, not just in the United States.