Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the article. Obviously, women should be treated as equals, etc, but I think it is worth asking questions about whether many of feminism's achievements have actually improved things for women. Arguably, women now have to do everything a man has to do, in addition to everything that women do, and it doesn't seem like this is a good deal. Men are miserable, women report the lowest levels of happiness in decades, and yet we can't question whether this is all working for us.

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Anonymous wrote:Patients prefer and have better outcomes with women doctors.
Women led countries do better.
Men who want slaves are unhappy. The rest are happy.

Men and women are not enemies. It’s not a zero sum game.

the worse bosses I ever had were both Indian Women.

constantly micro-managing, over-bearing with little technical knowledge. also, tried to hire relatives and friends, extreme nepotism.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Is there actually any argument for the opposite?

If your brain just goes to women and not a million other factors that have changed over time, that's a you problem.

As for the workplace, are any of them really better from having HR departments or other such areas birthed by feminism?

Yes. People no longer have to put up with groping, harassment, racist jokes, nude pinups, and other things that don’t belong in a workplace.

because women find it offensive

You also have to wear pants and speak in complete sentences. The modern world must be very hard for you.

Whats wrong with skirts and dresses?

Pantsuits are unflattering.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the article. Obviously, women should be treated as equals, etc, but I think it is worth asking questions about whether many of feminism's achievements have actually improved things for women. Arguably, women now have to do everything a man has to do, in addition to everything that women do, and it doesn't seem like this is a good deal. Men are miserable, women report the lowest levels of happiness in decades, and yet we can't question whether this is all working for us.

I am happy, single woman, and working, with a home.

That's good. I am happy, married, and working, with a home. I also don't think that American feminism has been utterly perfect in advancing women's needs.

There is only so much "feminism" can do. It is not going to negate the two income trap which has caused the price of everything to rise since it assumed many households have two people working, and feminism will not force men to do what they don't want to do in the home.

Young men are quickly learning that young women have the option to opt out. Young women are perfectly capable of caring for themselves, and are realizing more and more that motherhood and marriage are so often a raw deal for women that they do not have to sign up for. So if men want a wife, they now have to come to the table with more than a second income and whole lot of extra work.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the article. Obviously, women should be treated as equals, etc, but I think it is worth asking questions about whether many of feminism's achievements have actually improved things for women. Arguably, women now have to do everything a man has to do, in addition to everything that women do, and it doesn't seem like this is a good deal. Men are miserable, women report the lowest levels of happiness in decades, and yet we can't question whether this is all working for us.

I am happy, single woman, and working, with a home.

Anonymous wrote:It is interesting that no one here seems to be aware that this is not an original article concept by Douthat. He is piggybacking off of the viral piece on this topic by Helen Andrews.

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Anonymous wrote:Patients prefer and have better outcomes with women doctors.
Women led countries do better.
Men who want slaves are unhappy. The rest are happy.

Men and women are not enemies. It’s not a zero sum game.

the worse bosses I ever had were both Indian Women.

constantly micro-managing, over-bearing with little technical knowledge. also, tried to hire relatives and friends, extreme nepotism.

Anonymous wrote:Patients prefer and have better outcomes with women doctors.
Women led countries do better.
Men who want slaves are unhappy. The rest are happy.

Men and women are not enemies. It’s not a zero sum game.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the article. Obviously, women should be treated as equals, etc, but I think it is worth asking questions about whether many of feminism's achievements have actually improved things for women. Arguably, women now have to do everything a man has to do, in addition to everything that women do, and it doesn't seem like this is a good deal. Men are miserable, women report the lowest levels of happiness in decades, and yet we can't question whether this is all working for us.

I love this post. Perfectly stated, thank you.

You’re right! Women would be so much happier without their own money and bank accounts (which they got in 1974). (Sarcasm clearly)

Men are unhappy because they must function as adults without a servant at home to wait on them. They also feel this way about slavery, which is why white supremacy is openly discussed and platformed.

Women are unhappy because there is a serious backlash going on! Although there are a collection of lazy dumb women who are ok with trad wife life and being subservient. Most are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Is there actually any argument for the opposite?

If your brain just goes to women and not a million other factors that have changed over time, that's a you problem.

As for the workplace, are any of them really better from having HR departments or other such areas birthed by feminism?

Yes. People no longer have to put up with groping, harassment, racist jokes, nude pinups, and other things that don’t belong in a workplace.

because women find it offensive

Cry harder

You're missing the point.

The problem is not that women are less talented than men or even that female modes of interaction are inferior in any objective sense. The problem is that female modes of interaction are not well suited to accomplishing the goals of many major institutions. You can have an academia that is majority female, but it will be (as majority-female departments in today’s universities already are) oriented toward other goals than open debate and the unfettered pursuit of truth simply because the need for group agreement (aand agreeableness as a female trait) doesn't allow for such conflict. And if your academia doesn’t pursue truth, what good is it? If your journalists aren’t prickly individualists who don’t mind alienating people, what good are they? If a business loses its swashbuckling spirit and becomes a feminized, inward-focused bureaucracy, will it not stagnate?

Since women are now the majority in the college system, the majority of MD and JD recent graduates, those fields will all soon be female dominated. As women become the majority, because all of those industries will cease to be able to perform their primary functions. We’ve already seen that, for example, in elementary education, where predominantly female teachers working under female principles and female-majority schoolboards cannot teach schoolchildren how to read, write, or do arithmetic.

As we are observing in real time, female-dominated politics are not compatible with civilization because women have different priorities and perspectives than those required for its construction and maintenance. The episode of Survivor in which the two tribes were divided by the sexes is a very vivid example of this.

Your evidence to support all of this mental wanking is…a reality TV show?

I can come up with an equally stupid and delusional thesis: “Male dominated politics aren’t compatible with civilization because boys like to make things go boom and kill everyone in wars. When men are in charge, you get slavery and pollution and rape and species extinctions and a complete breakdown of the social order. Lord of the Flies proves this.”

You ignored the rest of the post.

The contention is if the male heirarchical system works better than the female flatter consensus based system. In other words the male system doesn't care about offending others which means more risks can be taken, while the female system cares more about consenus and fairness, and limits ideas that are hurtful/risky such that truths can't be talked about because Jan might feel bad.

Likewise the male system allows for heirarchies to be quickly set with less back stabbing such that the focus is on getting the job done, while the female system focuses on either everyone having an equal turn, or backstabbing one's enemies such that the result is not the primary focus.

If you want I can pull meta studies on male vs female dominance heirachies and group effects, but I would imagine anyone who has worked in both male dominated and female dominated groups can notice the difference.

but that wouldnt be "fair" would it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Is there actually any argument for the opposite?

If your brain just goes to women and not a million other factors that have changed over time, that's a you problem.

As for the workplace, are any of them really better from having HR departments or other such areas birthed by feminism?

Yes. People no longer have to put up with groping, harassment, racist jokes, nude pinups, and other things that don’t belong in a workplace.

because women find it offensive

Cry harder

Since women are now the majority in the college system, the majority of MD and JD recent graduates, those fields will all soon be female dominated. As women become the majority, because all of those industries will cease to be able to perform their primary functions. We’ve already seen that, for example, in elementary education, where predominantly female teachers working under female principles and female-majority schoolboards cannot teach schoolchildren how to read, write, or do arithmetic.

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I saw it was Ross Douthat and said pass. He’s a moron.