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Anonymous wrote:It’s good that people are finally starting to question the cost of college. Both private schools and out-of-state publics are such a rip-off and disconnect from building career (aka, no career in AI generation)

And let's also a question the destruction of the job market. It's gone into a nose dive with this new administration.

Not everything is about politics, my friend. Most people are just trying to get by. When it comes to the job market, everyone knows it’s the rich who are consuming the world’s resources — and yes, elite schools and big corporations are part of that group. Everything is about profit...

I don't know that much about politics, but I have kids in college getting ready to graduate into this absolute crap job market. I sure wish they were graduating into the job market from the last administration. I can tell you that.

If companies want to layoff anyone they can layoff anyone anytime they want to even if your kids landed a job already... what's the difference? Governments don't own the private sectors.

Suit yourself. I want the old economy back for my kids.

Sounds like you're saying you'd like to Make America Great Again.

Yes please. And not to some undefined nebulous time when we could own other people and women were not to go to college. Give me back the Biden administration and the economy that went with it. I'll take that tomorrow for all of our kids.

Technology and AI have turned knowledge into a commodity. Colleges have no excuse for being this expensive anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Given the job market is not only terrible but also uncertain, is it still prudent to spend 200k or more on an undergrad degree? Just having second thoughts..

Amazon laying off employees, UPS, Target, Salesforce.. all corporate jobs.

No is is absolutely financially insane.

State school in state school.

Republicans are burning us to the ground there will be no jobs. And no way your DD are finishing their degrees at this point. 2028 no women will be going to college.

Don't believe me look up The Heritage Foundation, Peter Theil and his sycophants and see what they are planning for this country it is not pretty and they will succeed.

I still don't see why politics is to blame. Look around you, which country is not experiencing this problem? Are they all owned by US Governments?

This country was not experiencing this level of this problem to this extent a very short time ago. You can still get a very fine education at either a public or a private institution. That hasn't changed although it is starting to be eroded. But the economy is in a nosedive from a fairly robust economy not very long ago.

Not true. College costs have been getting out of control for a very long time.

With strange admission criteria, and unverified prestige illusions for the middle class families

What kind of job do you do that AI cannot be used by the corporates?

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Anonymous wrote:Given the job market is not only terrible but also uncertain, is it still prudent to spend 200k or more on an undergrad degree? Just having second thoughts..

Amazon laying off employees, UPS, Target, Salesforce.. all corporate jobs.

No is is absolutely financially insane.

State school in state school.

Republicans are burning us to the ground there will be no jobs. And no way your DD are finishing their degrees at this point. 2028 no women will be going to college.

Don't believe me look up The Heritage Foundation, Peter Theil and his sycophants and see what they are planning for this country it is not pretty and they will succeed.

I still don't see why politics is to blame. Look around you, which country is not experiencing this problem? Are they all owned by US Governments?

This country was not experiencing this level of this problem to this extent a very short time ago. You can still get a very fine education at either a public or a private institution. That hasn't changed although it is starting to be eroded. But the economy is in a nosedive from a fairly robust economy not very long ago.

Not true. College costs have been getting out of control for a very long time.

Anonymous wrote:God forbid college be about education, rather than churning out future workers.

what does this even mean???
college is absolutely about getting education/skills to be able to be a productive member in society in a satisfying career.

What kind of job do you do that you did not need any education to do it??? You don't sound very educated to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's another good list for ROI schools.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/the-u-s-colleges-with-the-highest-roi/

Why do these scorecards never document outcomes. How many were employed via on-site recruiting; how many have jobs 3mos out and 6mos out; what's the median income of graduates - 2yrs out, 10 yrs out, 15 yrs out; how many went on to graduate schools within five years of graduation; what is the acceptance rates of those who went to graduate schools for MBA/PhD/JD/MD.

Give us some real outcomes-based decision making for ROI.

+1 It would be great if this data was presented by profession. How many graduates are in each profession, how many matriculate to top firms, law schools, etc. Plus the other data you mentioned.

The data just isn't shared by many of these $90K/year non-ivy schools. Sorry but I'm not on board with paying that without the evidence.

my kid's ivy publishes lots of data on med school, law school matriculation broken down by GPA, as well as salary for new grads, names of companies and industry sectors. They and likely most ivy/peer schools are hugely successful and well worth the $ even as full pay,

Yes, but per the previous post, many Non-Ivy schools don't share this data yet they charge the same amount.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s good that people are finally starting to question the cost of college. Both private schools and out-of-state publics are such a rip-off and disconnect from building career (aka, no career in AI generation)

And let's also a question the destruction of the job market. It's gone into a nose dive with this new administration.

Not everything is about politics, my friend. Most people are just trying to get by. When it comes to the job market, everyone knows it’s the rich who are consuming the world’s resources — and yes, elite schools and big corporations are part of that group. Everything is about profit...

I don't know that much about politics, but I have kids in college getting ready to graduate into this absolute crap job market. I sure wish they were graduating into the job market from the last administration. I can tell you that.

If companies want to layoff anyone they can layoff anyone anytime they want to even if your kids landed a job already... what's the difference? Governments don't own the private sectors.

You can’t argue that this administration’s gutting of government institutions doesn’t impact the private sector. It also has a huge impact on jobs that rely on grants (research, non-profits). AI and corporate greed might be the biggest culprits but the administration is a big part of the job market.

Thought those expensive schools just turn down COMPACT so they get to decide what students they admit, that means they may lose federal funding, isn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's another good list for ROI schools.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/the-u-s-colleges-with-the-highest-roi/

Why do these scorecards never document outcomes. How many were employed via on-site recruiting; how many have jobs 3mos out and 6mos out; what's the median income of graduates - 2yrs out, 10 yrs out, 15 yrs out; how many went on to graduate schools within five years of graduation; what is the acceptance rates of those who went to graduate schools for MBA/PhD/JD/MD.

Give us some real outcomes-based decision making for ROI.

+1 It would be great if this data was presented by profession. How many graduates are in each profession, how many matriculate to top firms, law schools, etc. Plus the other data you mentioned.

The data just isn't shared by many of these $90K/year non-ivy schools. Sorry but I'm not on board with paying that without the evidence.

my kid's ivy publishes lots of data on med school, law school matriculation broken down by GPA, as well as salary for new grads, names of companies and industry sectors. They and likely most ivy/peer schools are hugely successful and well worth the $ even as full pay,

So they have to go to grad school and pay another 250k

In 2016, I had a chance to work with people from Barcelona. They were smart, down-to-earth, and speak fluent English. Back then, I already could feel this challenge how our kids could compete with college graduates overseas — their education costs are so much lower than ours. Nowadays, they can learn exactly the same things our kids are learning, thanks to the internet and AI.

During covid, companies realize that too, they can hire whoever they want, remotely

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Anonymous wrote:It’s good that people are finally starting to question the cost of college. Both private schools and out-of-state publics are such a rip-off and disconnect from building career (aka, no career in AI generation)

And let's also a question the destruction of the job market. It's gone into a nose dive with this new administration.

Not everything is about politics, my friend. Most people are just trying to get by. When it comes to the job market, everyone knows it’s the rich who are consuming the world’s resources — and yes, elite schools and big corporations are part of that group. Everything is about profit...

I don't know that much about politics, but I have kids in college getting ready to graduate into this absolute crap job market. I sure wish they were graduating into the job market from the last administration. I can tell you that.

If companies want to layoff anyone they can layoff anyone anytime they want to even if your kids landed a job already... what's the difference? Governments don't own the private sectors.

You can’t argue that this administration’s gutting of government institutions doesn’t impact the private sector. It also has a huge impact on jobs that rely on grants (research, non-profits). AI and corporate greed might be the biggest culprits but the administration is a big part of the job market.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s good that people are finally starting to question the cost of college. Both private schools and out-of-state publics are such a rip-off and disconnect from building career (aka, no career in AI generation)

And let's also a question the destruction of the job market. It's gone into a nose dive with this new administration.

Not everything is about politics, my friend. Most people are just trying to get by. When it comes to the job market, everyone knows it’s the rich who are consuming the world’s resources — and yes, elite schools and big corporations are part of that group. Everything is about profit...

I don't know that much about politics, but I have kids in college getting ready to graduate into this absolute crap job market. I sure wish they were graduating into the job market from the last administration. I can tell you that.

If companies want to layoff anyone they can layoff anyone anytime they want to even if your kids landed a job already... what's the difference? Governments don't own the private sectors.

Suit yourself. I want the old economy back for my kids.

Sounds like you're saying you'd like to Make America Great Again.

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Anonymous wrote:Lately, most of our new hires and interns have been from state schools — some even graduated in three years.

State schools can be great. The current job market is not.

State School is what smart kids from families who are not rich do who don't want to go into debt. A degree is a degree. Not being saddled with $100K+ in debt is huge...it allows you to move to a different place than you grew up as you can actually afford an apartment.

Ivy/similar schools often have lower net COA than in-state publics for anyone between 100kHHI and 240kHHI these days.

Sure, if you are FA eligible search. Same for merit (at schools outside the T30). Search and find the most affordable school for you and compare quality. I agree---many times you can find great schools with merit for less than your instate (even without FA). So if your kid wants a smaller school you can find it

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Anonymous wrote:Here's another good list for ROI schools.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/the-u-s-colleges-with-the-highest-roi/

Why do these scorecards never document outcomes. How many were employed via on-site recruiting; how many have jobs 3mos out and 6mos out; what's the median income of graduates - 2yrs out, 10 yrs out, 15 yrs out; how many went on to graduate schools within five years of graduation; what is the acceptance rates of those who went to graduate schools for MBA/PhD/JD/MD.

Give us some real outcomes-based decision making for ROI.

+1 It would be great if this data was presented by profession. How many graduates are in each profession, how many matriculate to top firms, law schools, etc. Plus the other data you mentioned.

The data just isn't shared by many of these $90K/year non-ivy schools. Sorry but I'm not on board with paying that without the evidence.

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Some schools are actually brave enough to publish the NG median income. CMU for example

however these data points are largely pointless unless you also correlate where the jobs are and cost of living. For example: anyone who graduates from a Boston area school will likely have a much higher Salary across the board for all majors than someone who graduates form UNC. Because their graduates often end up nearby and Boston has an extremely high cost of living.

I know, I've seen people deliberatey asking to work remotely from Mexico and Brazil. Not new

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Anonymous wrote:Here's another good list for ROI schools.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/news/the-u-s-colleges-with-the-highest-roi/

Why do these scorecards never document outcomes. How many were employed via on-site recruiting; how many have jobs 3mos out and 6mos out; what's the median income of graduates - 2yrs out, 10 yrs out, 15 yrs out; how many went on to graduate schools within five years of graduation; what is the acceptance rates of those who went to graduate schools for MBA/PhD/JD/MD.

Give us some real outcomes-based decision making for ROI.

+1 It would be great if this data was presented by profession. How many graduates are in each profession, how many matriculate to top firms, law schools, etc. Plus the other data you mentioned.

The data just isn't shared by many of these $90K/year non-ivy schools. Sorry but I'm not on board with paying that without the evidence.

+1
Some schools are actually brave enough to publish the NG median income. CMU for example

however these data points are largely pointless unless you also correlate where the jobs are and cost of living. For example: anyone who graduates from a Boston area school will likely have a much higher Salary across the board for all majors than someone who graduates form UNC. Because their graduates often end up nearby and Boston has an extremely high cost of living.