Anonymous wrote:Enough said.

We work all week and have 2 precious days at home as a family.

With church, we have one morning together (Saturday). Sunday is spent yelling to get out the door, even though I try really hard not to.

We get home and everyone is hungry and grumpy. Going out to eat is too expensive and packing lunch or a snack is time consuming…I pack food all week!

What I wouldn’t give for a Wednesday night church.

OP, I used to yell on weekday mornings. The solution was for me (mom) to wake up 30 minutes earlier. At least in our case, I was yelling because I wasn’t leaving enough time.

Let us know how tomorrow goes.

Anonymous wrote:I feel for you OP. I used to take our DC solo (DH was lapsed Catholic). I remember thinking Church was anything but relaxing, more like a 60’ workout. Our church, associated with a Catholic school, had a children’s Mass. Gane changer for us.

Lol. Abdicate responsibility of the thing that your religion requires to teach your kids. Such fake believers. Daily mass doesn't replace Sunday mass dear. You are still obligated to attend Sunday mass as a catholic with your family. All of 2 hours a week for the person in charge of your entire life's purpose. This stuff is why people can't take the religion seriously. Not even the believers care.

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Anonymous wrote:It definitely is a lot of work. Between modern science and the lack of any supporting material evidence indicating these myths have even an iota of truth to them, the only way to perpetuate them is to indoctrinate children and instill fear of free thinking early. I must ensure my kids get a solid dose of brainwashing at least weekly to prevent succumbing to logical thinking.

Tell me about it! Its easy when the kids are young, but as they get older and start to ask questions, I struggle to overcome the cognitive dissonance.

What ages? It’s good that they are asking questions! That means they are interested in learning about their religion.

You soooo understood the point of the original message

No. I got it. You think that if kids ask questions there are no answers.

The reality is that theological discussions with tweens and teens are actually really interesting, especially if they are at a different place in their faith than you are.

It's not that there are no answers, there are only answers that are validated and logical. All others are perpetuating mythology.

Sounds like you have never had a conversation with your teenager about the meaning of life. Or if you did, you did more talking than listening. These aren’t validated and logical conversations.

I have. It was an easy talk to have. I'm not failing at parenting by teaching them to believe in myths and superstition.

I think you are failing at parenting if you think you can make your teenagers believe anything or that they will believe something just because you believe it.

LOL. The PP never said anything about making their kids "believe"!

Right - They just want their kids to follow orders.

It's the true believer way. Unquestioning adherence to rules men came up with two millennia ago.

They don't adhere to the rules except the ones that give them power over others

Again, it was the atheist who was insisting that his kids stick to his valid and logical beliefs.

You have the wrong bogeyman here. There is nothing about believing in God that means you need to dominate others. And people who want to control others don’t need the backing of God or religion to do it.

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Anonymous wrote:It definitely is a lot of work. Between modern science and the lack of any supporting material evidence indicating these myths have even an iota of truth to them, the only way to perpetuate them is to indoctrinate children and instill fear of free thinking early. I must ensure my kids get a solid dose of brainwashing at least weekly to prevent succumbing to logical thinking.

Tell me about it! Its easy when the kids are young, but as they get older and start to ask questions, I struggle to overcome the cognitive dissonance.

What ages? It’s good that they are asking questions! That means they are interested in learning about their religion.

You soooo understood the point of the original message

No. I got it. You think that if kids ask questions there are no answers.

The reality is that theological discussions with tweens and teens are actually really interesting, especially if they are at a different place in their faith than you are.

It's not that there are no answers, there are only answers that are validated and logical. All others are perpetuating mythology.

Sounds like you have never had a conversation with your teenager about the meaning of life. Or if you did, you did more talking than listening. These aren’t validated and logical conversations.

I have. It was an easy talk to have. I'm not failing at parenting by teaching them to believe in myths and superstition.

I think you are failing at parenting if you think you can make your teenagers believe anything or that they will believe something just because you believe it.

LOL. The PP never said anything about making their kids "believe"!

Right - They just want their kids to follow orders.

It's the true believer way. Unquestioning adherence to rules men came up with two millennia ago.

They don't adhere to the rules except the ones that give them power over others

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Anonymous wrote:It definitely is a lot of work. Between modern science and the lack of any supporting material evidence indicating these myths have even an iota of truth to them, the only way to perpetuate them is to indoctrinate children and instill fear of free thinking early. I must ensure my kids get a solid dose of brainwashing at least weekly to prevent succumbing to logical thinking.

Tell me about it! Its easy when the kids are young, but as they get older and start to ask questions, I struggle to overcome the cognitive dissonance.

What ages? It’s good that they are asking questions! That means they are interested in learning about their religion.

You soooo understood the point of the original message

No. I got it. You think that if kids ask questions there are no answers.

The reality is that theological discussions with tweens and teens are actually really interesting, especially if they are at a different place in their faith than you are.

It's not that there are no answers, there are only answers that are validated and logical. All others are perpetuating mythology.

Sounds like you have never had a conversation with your teenager about the meaning of life. Or if you did, you did more talking than listening. These aren’t validated and logical conversations.

I have. It was an easy talk to have. I'm not failing at parenting by teaching them to believe in myths and superstition.

I think you are failing at parenting if you think you can make your teenagers believe anything or that they will believe something just because you believe it.

LOL. The PP never said anything about making their kids "believe"!

Right - They just want their kids to follow orders.

You have this exchange backwards. It was actually the atheist who had the validated and logical talk with his teens where he explained the meaning of life and they listened.

The believer said he has ongoing discussions with his teens and tweens and likes to hear about their ideas, especially when they are different than his.

Being the kind of person who wants your kids to follow orders isn’t about whether or not you believe in God. I don’t get the feeling that the OP of this thread is someone who expects her kids to constantly fall in line!

I feel for you OP. I used to take our DC solo (DH was lapsed Catholic). I remember thinking Church was anything but relaxing, more like a 60’ workout. Our church, associated with a Catholic school, had a children’s Mass. Gane changer for us.

And what's so silly is that they sway back and forth between all I need to do is believe to I need to do all these checkbox things that have nothing to do with other people on earth and they cant make up their mind which is more important while ignoring the actual importance of how to live a good life on earth. You'd think if religion was so important to them they'd figure it out.

God and Jesus need you to be compassionate people, full attendance isn't required.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are the anti-religion people so angry?

Because we are tired of the Christian Right shoving their stupidity down our throats.
Because we are tired of the Christian Right raising boys who shoot their schoolmates.
Because we are tired of the Christian Right supporting a con man under the guise of religion.

And they know that the con man is himself an atheist.

Anonymous wrote:Why are the anti-religion people so angry?

Because we are tired of the Christian Right shoving their stupidity down our throats.
Because we are tired of the Christian Right raising boys who shoot their schoolmates.
Because we are tired of the Christian Right supporting a con man under the guise of religion.

Anonymous wrote:Why are the anti-religion people so angry?

Because believers keep interfering with our lives with their non-sense.

Anytime I see someone with a shirt that says they love Jesus, I automatically know they lack critical thinking skills.

Why are the anti-religion people so angry?

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Anonymous wrote:It definitely is a lot of work. Between modern science and the lack of any supporting material evidence indicating these myths have even an iota of truth to them, the only way to perpetuate them is to indoctrinate children and instill fear of free thinking early. I must ensure my kids get a solid dose of brainwashing at least weekly to prevent succumbing to logical thinking.

Tell me about it! Its easy when the kids are young, but as they get older and start to ask questions, I struggle to overcome the cognitive dissonance.

What ages? It’s good that they are asking questions! That means they are interested in learning about their religion.

You soooo understood the point of the original message

No. I got it. You think that if kids ask questions there are no answers.

The reality is that theological discussions with tweens and teens are actually really interesting, especially if they are at a different place in their faith than you are.

It's not that there are no answers, there are only answers that are validated and logical. All others are perpetuating mythology.

Sounds like you have never had a conversation with your teenager about the meaning of life. Or if you did, you did more talking than listening. These aren’t validated and logical conversations.

I have. It was an easy talk to have. I'm not failing at parenting by teaching them to believe in myths and superstition.

I think you are failing at parenting if you think you can make your teenagers believe anything or that they will believe something just because you believe it.

LOL. The PP never said anything about making their kids "believe"!

Right - They just want their kids to follow orders.

It's the true believer way. Unquestioning adherence to rules men came up with two millennia ago.

+1. A book by the way that makes women second class citizens

Why on earth do women want to live a life where they matter less and are only needed for procreation?

Religion is indoctrination and control.

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Anonymous wrote:It definitely is a lot of work. Between modern science and the lack of any supporting material evidence indicating these myths have even an iota of truth to them, the only way to perpetuate them is to indoctrinate children and instill fear of free thinking early. I must ensure my kids get a solid dose of brainwashing at least weekly to prevent succumbing to logical thinking.

Tell me about it! Its easy when the kids are young, but as they get older and start to ask questions, I struggle to overcome the cognitive dissonance.

What ages? It’s good that they are asking questions! That means they are interested in learning about their religion.

You soooo understood the point of the original message

No. I got it. You think that if kids ask questions there are no answers.

The reality is that theological discussions with tweens and teens are actually really interesting, especially if they are at a different place in their faith than you are.

It's not that there are no answers, there are only answers that are validated and logical. All others are perpetuating mythology.

Sounds like you have never had a conversation with your teenager about the meaning of life. Or if you did, you did more talking than listening. These aren’t validated and logical conversations.

I have. It was an easy talk to have. I'm not failing at parenting by teaching them to believe in myths and superstition.

I think you are failing at parenting if you think you can make your teenagers believe anything or that they will believe something just because you believe it.

LOL. The PP never said anything about making their kids "believe"!

Right - They just want their kids to follow orders.

It's the true believer way. Unquestioning adherence to rules men came up with two millennia ago.

Anonymous wrote:Is there also yelling, dawdling, whatever EVERY TIME the kids have tongo anywhere like school, sports, shopping trips, parties?
Is this a general parenting issue not just church?
Figure out how to change the dynamic.

The religious infighting got in the way of OP answering these.

Well?