Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 17:45     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

The day Washington & Lee changes its name is the day Washington & Lee will close for good.

The alumni will not allow it, nor should they.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 17:42     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Perhaps the Greek system should be abolished and Lee removed if they are serious about attracting top minority students.


They might as well not bother, as such students will have many other better options.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 17:35     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Perhaps the Greek system should be abolished and Lee removed if they are serious about attracting top minority students.


While some top minorities do attend, agree with the name change ( BOT won't do it) to attract more. Regarding Greek system, there are black fraternities and sororities (at least AKA) at W&L as well. And if you're familiar with HBCUs, Greek life can be an active part of the college experience, so disagree with the "abolish" part.


They have 2 black fraternities:Alpha Phi Alpha and Phi Beta Sigma. They have 2 black sororities. Alpha Kappa Alpha and Delta Sigma Theta.

And many of the minority students join the Panhellenic Council Frats and Sororities as well *Gasp*.

Greek life there is laid back since there are so many students participating (except for maybe the “top” few greek organizations). It’s not like the SEC schools. Many of my daughter’s friends who get significant financial aid are able to afford to join.

Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 17:05     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are in the top 1% and live in the south you know W&L. Otherwise you are not W&L’s target market. IYKYK


This is all you need to know about W&L. Full of smart, rich, accomplished and interesting kids from the best families in the South. A great fit for kids who want to be happy and successful. A poor fit for kids who think they'll find anything of value at Bryn Mawr or Oberlin.




Could a non-white family be considered best?
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Of course, but W&L is only 4.96% Black, so that should be considered.


Why is W&L struggling to enroll Black students? Does Robert E Lee’s crypt have anything to do with that?



Cute.

The average black population at top SLACs and most elite colleges( think top 50 or so) is....drum roll...5%!


Thanks for making institutional racism easy to understand. What are you doing to expand access for black students?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 17:04     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Perhaps the Greek system should be abolished and Lee removed if they are serious about attracting top minority students.


While some top minorities do attend, agree with the name change ( BOT won't do it) to attract more. Regarding Greek system, there are black fraternities and sororities (at least AKA) at W&L as well. And if you're familiar with HBCUs, Greek life can be an active part of the college experience, so disagree with the "abolish" part.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 16:56     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you are in the top 1% and live in the south you know W&L. Otherwise you are not W&L’s target market. IYKYK


This is all you need to know about W&L. Full of smart, rich, accomplished and interesting kids from the best families in the South. A great fit for kids who want to be happy and successful. A poor fit for kids who think they'll find anything of value at Bryn Mawr or Oberlin.




Could a non-white family be considered best?
'

Of course, but W&L is only 4.96% Black, so that should be considered.


Why is W&L struggling to enroll Black students? Does Robert E Lee’s crypt have anything to do with that?



Cute.

The average black population at top SLACs and most elite colleges( think top 50 or so) is....drum roll...5%!
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 16:34     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Perhaps the Greek system should be abolished and Lee removed if they are serious about attracting top minority students.


Change the name, make it less party. Why in the world would I still spend $100K+ to have my kid go there?

This niche that found a nice school that doesn't gel with DCUM better there then here.


You pay 100k to party with dead confederates? lol joke is on you
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 16:29     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Perhaps the Greek system should be abolished and Lee removed if they are serious about attracting top minority students.


Change the name, make it less party. Why in the world would I still spend $100K+ to have my kid go there?

This niche that found a nice school that doesn't gel with DCUM better there then here.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 16:18     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Perhaps the Greek system should be abolished and Lee removed if they are serious about attracting top minority students.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 16:14     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


My kid goes there. She is not greek(rushed and decided it was not for them). Has plenty of friends both greek and non greek. Goes to parties every weekend. The only Greek event she doesn’t go to are the frat/sorority mixers/formals. And she has been invited to those by frat members as well. She never “sits in the dining hall with nothing to do”.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 15:50     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.


Jesus
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 15:24     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 15:18     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It had the weirdest vibe of all the schools we toured. And we have toured many!


yes there are always the “normal” schools like oberlin columbia and wesleyan for folks like you!


Name another college with dead confederates buried on the grounds. I’ll wait.


Edmund "Kirby" Smith is buried on campus at The University of the South in Sewanee, Tennessee. Not as smart as you thought you were, are you? Now run along.


So are you and pp arguing this is a positive e or negative?

I mean they are in the South. WTH do you expect ?


DP. Disinterment is what I’d suggest. Give him to the Daughters of the Confederacy.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 15:12     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:One of the most Greek schools.



It is THE most Greek schools with 74% to 80% of the students participating in the Greek system there. Had I known that before we toured, we would not have. A faculty member explained the negative impact this system has on minority scholarship students. Although W&L does its best to attract URM students (only 4.96% black), it cannot cover the additional cost of participating in the Greek houses. So, these students sit in the dining hall with nothing to do from Thursday night to Monday morning (partying starts Thursday night there). The cost of attendance to W&L is $95,000 plus health insurance, travel costs, and frat/sorority membership. Because Greek is expected, W&L is the only school I know of that posts the participation costs of the Greek system on its Cost of Attendance page. Those costs are - in addition to the $96K, approximately $3,300 for non-residents (not living in a house) to nearly $18,000 for residents per semester, depending on chapter and housing status. Those fees push the COA well over $100,000 -$110K a year. You can find those fees in footnote 3 of the W&L cost of attendance page.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2025 15:04     Subject: What’s the deal with Washington & Lee?

Anonymous wrote:The school claims nearly 60% receive significant aid, much of which is need-based aid.



It doesn't say "significant", it says "financial aid". This is a trick statement that most SLACs use, including my own, to make the institution look more financially benevolent than it is. I learned this when I served on my SLAC's board. Those statements include all students, like my own, who applied via FAFSA and are taking out the unsubsidized federal student loans of $5500-$6500 a year. My students didn't receive a single dollar from the schools they attended, yet they were included in that "X% receive financial aid" figure. It's deceptive.