Anonymous wrote:The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

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This was a financial transaction.

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Anonymous wrote:The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

But the surrogate didn't promise to do this from the goodness of her heart. It's expensive to be pregnant, it wears on your body and it's risky. The article said clearly that the woman did this to pay off student loans and build a nest egg of savings as a single mother. Instead she is now saddled with hundreds of thousands in medical bills, because crazy Intended parent lady said she commited fraud as a surrogate, and her insurance refused to pay.

Yes, I know it said that, that's why I mentioned that in my post. I was referring to this:

As she put it in a Facebook post, she wanted to give them “the same love I found in becoming a mom.”

Just say you want the money for student loans.

Both things can be true. It could be that she did it 90% for the money, and 10% to give someone the joy of having a kid. That doesn't invalidate that she wanted the parents who couldn't carry a child to have one.

The manipulative “help a sad family” narrative is something these agencies really push. It stops surrogates from actually calculating the cost and also makes it distasteful for them to bargain. It is so incredibly gross, cynical, snd exploitative.

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Anonymous wrote:The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

But the surrogate didn't promise to do this from the goodness of her heart. It's expensive to be pregnant, it wears on your body and it's risky. The article said clearly that the woman did this to pay off student loans and build a nest egg of savings as a single mother. Instead she is now saddled with hundreds of thousands in medical bills, because crazy Intended parent lady said she commited fraud as a surrogate, and her insurance refused to pay.

Yes, I know it said that, that's why I mentioned that in my post. I was referring to this:

As she put it in a Facebook post, she wanted to give them “the same love I found in becoming a mom.”

Just say you want the money for student loans.

Both things can be true. It could be that she did it 90% for the money, and 10% to give someone the joy of having a kid. That doesn't invalidate that she wanted the parents who couldn't carry a child to have one.

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Anonymous wrote:The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

But the surrogate didn't promise to do this from the goodness of her heart. It's expensive to be pregnant, it wears on your body and it's risky. The article said clearly that the woman did this to pay off student loans and build a nest egg of savings as a single mother. Instead she is now saddled with hundreds of thousands in medical bills, because crazy Intended parent lady said she commited fraud as a surrogate, and her insurance refused to pay.

Yes, I know it said that, that's why I mentioned that in my post. I was referring to this:

As she put it in a Facebook post, she wanted to give them “the same love I found in becoming a mom.”

Just say you want the money for student loans.

Anonymous wrote:The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

But the surrogate didn't promise to do this from the goodness of her heart. It's expensive to be pregnant, it wears on your body and it's risky. The article said clearly that the woman did this to pay off student loans and build a nest egg of savings as a single mother. Instead she is now saddled with hundreds of thousands in medical bills, because crazy Intended parent lady said she commited fraud as a surrogate, and her insurance refused to pay.

Anonymous wrote:The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

I wouldn’t discount the power of the marketing that the surrogacy agencies do. They really sell it as a way to “help make a family” while doing things like paying off student loans. You should see some of the marketing materials for these agencies; they are almost dystopian. The agencies work very hard to elide the fact of the payment, in part because they want to exploit the surrogates and in part because a lot of surrogates won’t do it unless they actually believe they are making a family.

The one negative thing I will say about the surrogate is this: No one goes into COMMERCIAL surrogacy with a plan to pay off their student loans just because "Oh I saw my friend have a hard time conceiving and I want to help people." If she were doing this from the goodness of her heart she wouldn't have taken the shady "reimbursements." It's not like she was a broke single mom. She is very easily findable and she has a job that pays well in a low cost of living area. So, let's just call a spade a spade, she wanted to make money.

That being said, yeah, Cindy Bi is mentally ill and a nightmare of a human being.

Anonymous wrote:The horrific power imbalances here remind me of the stories in the 2024 book Relinquished by Gretchen Sisson, looking at the modern domestic infant adoption industry from the perspective of the relinquishing birth mothers. It's an eye opening read.

That book was absolutely heartbreaking.

Anonymous wrote:I found this part of the article to be the most shocking:

Although America is the world leader in surrogacy, it’s also the developed nation with the highest maternal mortality rate and one of the highest stillbirth rates, a situation described by many as “a public health crisis.” Compared to natural conception, carrying a genetically unrelated fetus more than triples the risk of severe, potentially deadly conditions, a statistic surrogates are rarely given.”

It makes logical sense. We don’t value maternal healthcare in this country, and we allow commercial surrogacy. Those two facts are irrevocably intertwined.

Countries that disallow surrogacy have better maternal healthcare outcomes, because they start by caring about pregnant women more. We don’t care about pregnant women and so we allow commercial surrogacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks OP. This is the content I come here for! I'm wondering if all these "tldr" posters are some kind of surrogacy apologetics.
Unbelievable story. The part that really got me was when the rich woman freaked about her baby measuring in the 30th percentile for growth and worried that he was "defective" already. What a nightmare to be around.

Right? She is Chinese and tiny herself!

Yeah what got me was the bit about the surrogate was tall so shouldn't the baby be taller than 30th percentile. Like...do you know how genetics work lol.

I’d be sick to my stomach if someone lost their uterus as a result of carrying my child. This IP is a nasty, nasty piece of work.

The horrific power imbalances here remind me of the stories in the 2024 book Relinquished by Gretchen Sisson, looking at the modern domestic infant adoption industry from the perspective of the relinquishing birth mothers. It's an eye opening read.

I found this part of the article to be the most shocking:

Although America is the world leader in surrogacy, it’s also the developed nation with the highest maternal mortality rate and one of the highest stillbirth rates, a situation described by many as “a public health crisis.” Compared to natural conception, carrying a genetically unrelated fetus more than triples the risk of severe, potentially deadly conditions, a statistic surrogates are rarely given.”

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Anonymous wrote:The surrogate agency should have taken some action against the crazy intended parent the moment she started to post private information about the surrogate mother's health and job in chat groups. That is 100% not ok and violated their agreement.

That should have been an indication that the surrogate mom was not respectful of the surrogate.

Since when do surrogacy agencies care anything about surrogates? Of course they don’t care that the intended parent is violating the agreement. The agencies work for one side only, and it’s not the surrogate.

That may be true but they FAFO because the crazy parent is now suing the agency too.

IN THE MONTHS after Leon died, Bi (intended parent)
Called the FBI 12 times. Reported Smith (surrogate) SAI (agency), the hospital, and Clarity escrow to more than a dozen state and federal regulators and numerous professional organizations. Launched a new round of her $30 million venture fund, backed by Marc Andreessen and David Sacks, President Trump’s “AI and crypto czar,” on Leon’s due date. Posted Leon’s ChatGPT-written endorsement from heaven, offering his “eternal blessings” for her work. Created TikToks, Instagram Reels, Facebook posts, X threads, LinkedIn Updates, and a website for her advocacy. Posted links disclosing surrogate Smith’s full name, photo, address, employer, mortgage license number, and son’s first name to her website