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Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread, I'm considering advocating to adjust one of my kids' IEPs to have their phone on them in honor of all of your condescension towards those who have reasonable criticisms of cellphone bans.

Parent's rights don't exist until it's certain parent's rights I see.

This. Parents rights for me but not for thee.

What "parental rights," precisely, are at issue?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

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Well that's nice for you, but my kid's school would not do that.

So you show up for picking up your child early at the front office, and they ignore you and won’t page them?

Our elementary school has a Google form, I imagine high schools could do something similar, maybe ask your PTA.

How often is this a problem? Why are you jump scaring your kids with early pickups more than a couple times a year? What comes up that you can’t discuss in the morning?

Aah, I see your kid is in elementary. Get back to me when they are in high school and aren't just in one place with a teacher all day. Then you'll see how high schools work. But thanks for telling me how this will go when you in fact have no idea. Have a seat.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you're resorting to insults. I was telling you what options exist from my youngest child’s experience.

I have two kids in high school as well, but I don't experience the "sudden" early releases. In fact, I rarely hear from them because they are generally responsible for their own transportation. They can take the school bus and ART for most activities, or just arrange their own carpool, so I'm not heavily involved except when it’s my turn to drive and that’s known well in advance.

It sounds like your kids may not be as independent as they should be at this stage in high school.

If your kid is actually in high school go ask them how they pull up the ART bus schedule without using their phone.

Are they taking the bus during school? That doesn't sound right. Phones are available after school.

The schedules are published. You can print them out, put a PDF in their school account, they may even have free maps and schedules at the public library. They also can know the route like 55 comes every 15 minutes.

They aren’t splitting the atom to catch a bus.

And as PP said, as they are walking out of school they can flip on their phone and look at all the bus schedules they wish.

print them out? are you living in the 1980s? you sound like you are truly afraid of today's tech. and you clearly aren't very familiar with it.

I’m in tech, and am certain I’m more versed in today’s tech than you will ever be.

They can print to a PDF and store on school laptop, they can physically print out the schedule, but most likely they will simply know which route and frequency of that route for where they usually go. I suspect I’m also more versed in how to ride a bus, but that’s how it is when you have to be self reliant at a younger age rather than have mom and pop paying for taxis.

Sounds like you haven’t done this in a while and are out of touch now with your pdf printouts.

What are you even talking about? Out of touch? It’s a freaking timetable, not an LLM API. It doesn’t need constant internet access.

You've never heard of real time monitoring in the app? You really are living in the 90s.

I’ve been using real time tracking of buses since it was SMS messages api.

I just don’t understand why you would need to know the real time schedule until the end of the day when student would actually be taking the bus. And that is when they are walking out the school door with a working phone to check the ART tracker.

Your desperation to build castles in the sky to justify why your child needs a phone are inane.

I don't think you understand what high school days look like for a jr or a sr. All these parents of younger kids thinking they know what's best for 18 year olds is just insane.

Lol. You definitely don't have a point.

I hope your 4th grader has a great year.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

Yes

Well that's nice for you, but my kid's school would not do that.

So you show up for picking up your child early at the front office, and they ignore you and won’t page them?

Our elementary school has a Google form, I imagine high schools could do something similar, maybe ask your PTA.

How often is this a problem? Why are you jump scaring your kids with early pickups more than a couple times a year? What comes up that you can’t discuss in the morning?

Aah, I see your kid is in elementary. Get back to me when they are in high school and aren't just in one place with a teacher all day. Then you'll see how high schools work. But thanks for telling me how this will go when you in fact have no idea. Have a seat.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you're resorting to insults. I was telling you what options exist from my youngest child’s experience.

I have two kids in high school as well, but I don't experience the "sudden" early releases. In fact, I rarely hear from them because they are generally responsible for their own transportation. They can take the school bus and ART for most activities, or just arrange their own carpool, so I'm not heavily involved except when it’s my turn to drive and that’s known well in advance.

It sounds like your kids may not be as independent as they should be at this stage in high school.

If your kid is actually in high school go ask them how they pull up the ART bus schedule without using their phone.

Are they taking the bus during school? That doesn't sound right. Phones are available after school.

The schedules are published. You can print them out, put a PDF in their school account, they may even have free maps and schedules at the public library. They also can know the route like 55 comes every 15 minutes.

They aren’t splitting the atom to catch a bus.

And as PP said, as they are walking out of school they can flip on their phone and look at all the bus schedules they wish.

print them out? are you living in the 1980s? you sound like you are truly afraid of today's tech. and you clearly aren't very familiar with it.

I’m in tech, and am certain I’m more versed in today’s tech than you will ever be.

They can print to a PDF and store on school laptop, they can physically print out the schedule, but most likely they will simply know which route and frequency of that route for where they usually go. I suspect I’m also more versed in how to ride a bus, but that’s how it is when you have to be self reliant at a younger age rather than have mom and pop paying for taxis.

Sounds like you haven’t done this in a while and are out of touch now with your pdf printouts.

What are you even talking about? Out of touch? It’s a freaking timetable, not an LLM API. It doesn’t need constant internet access.

You've never heard of real time monitoring in the app? You really are living in the 90s.

I’ve been using real time tracking of buses since it was SMS messages api.

I just don’t understand why you would need to know the real time schedule until the end of the day when student would actually be taking the bus. And that is when they are walking out the school door with a working phone to check the ART tracker.

Your desperation to build castles in the sky to justify why your child needs a phone are inane.

I don't think you understand what high school days look like for a jr or a sr. All these parents of younger kids thinking they know what's best for 18 year olds is just insane.

Lol. You definitely don't have a point.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

Yes

Well that's nice for you, but my kid's school would not do that.

So you show up for picking up your child early at the front office, and they ignore you and won’t page them?

Our elementary school has a Google form, I imagine high schools could do something similar, maybe ask your PTA.

How often is this a problem? Why are you jump scaring your kids with early pickups more than a couple times a year? What comes up that you can’t discuss in the morning?

Aah, I see your kid is in elementary. Get back to me when they are in high school and aren't just in one place with a teacher all day. Then you'll see how high schools work. But thanks for telling me how this will go when you in fact have no idea. Have a seat.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you're resorting to insults. I was telling you what options exist from my youngest child’s experience.

I have two kids in high school as well, but I don't experience the "sudden" early releases. In fact, I rarely hear from them because they are generally responsible for their own transportation. They can take the school bus and ART for most activities, or just arrange their own carpool, so I'm not heavily involved except when it’s my turn to drive and that’s known well in advance.

It sounds like your kids may not be as independent as they should be at this stage in high school.

If your kid is actually in high school go ask them how they pull up the ART bus schedule without using their phone.

Are they taking the bus during school? That doesn't sound right. Phones are available after school.

The schedules are published. You can print them out, put a PDF in their school account, they may even have free maps and schedules at the public library. They also can know the route like 55 comes every 15 minutes.

They aren’t splitting the atom to catch a bus.

And as PP said, as they are walking out of school they can flip on their phone and look at all the bus schedules they wish.

print them out? are you living in the 1980s? you sound like you are truly afraid of today's tech. and you clearly aren't very familiar with it.

I’m in tech, and am certain I’m more versed in today’s tech than you will ever be.

They can print to a PDF and store on school laptop, they can physically print out the schedule, but most likely they will simply know which route and frequency of that route for where they usually go. I suspect I’m also more versed in how to ride a bus, but that’s how it is when you have to be self reliant at a younger age rather than have mom and pop paying for taxis.

Sounds like you haven’t done this in a while and are out of touch now with your pdf printouts.

What are you even talking about? Out of touch? It’s a freaking timetable, not an LLM API. It doesn’t need constant internet access.

You've never heard of real time monitoring in the app? You really are living in the 90s.

I’ve been using real time tracking of buses since it was SMS messages api.

I just don’t understand why you would need to know the real time schedule until the end of the day when student would actually be taking the bus. And that is when they are walking out the school door with a working phone to check the ART tracker.

Your desperation to build castles in the sky to justify why your child needs a phone are inane.

I don't think you understand what high school days look like for a jr or a sr. All these parents of younger kids thinking they know what's best for 18 year olds is just insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just have all these people obsessed with sports over school start a public school academy. Where they have monitors on all the walls so every team and player knows the minute to minute schedule. It’s already ruined college admissions, so let’s just break off the sports obsessed.

It’s just sports. Band, play practice, club meetings, etc can and do change schedules after the school day has started. This is annoying, but not insurmountable.

I assumed they meant sports outside of school? Why would it matter if after school activities changed? A high schooler can take the bus or wait for a parent to pick them up. There is no urgency unless they need to go somewhere else after school.

The main issue we’ve had is that the kid thought a practice was happening after (at) school, and they can miss the bus if the practice is cancelled & they don’t know in time. Then they’re stuck at school for potentially hours if a parent can’t pick them up. But yes, they can check phones right after school & hopefully see the change in time.

Oh, no! D'ya think the little dears will be ok?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

Yes

Well that's nice for you, but my kid's school would not do that.

So you show up for picking up your child early at the front office, and they ignore you and won’t page them?

Our elementary school has a Google form, I imagine high schools could do something similar, maybe ask your PTA.

How often is this a problem? Why are you jump scaring your kids with early pickups more than a couple times a year? What comes up that you can’t discuss in the morning?

Aah, I see your kid is in elementary. Get back to me when they are in high school and aren't just in one place with a teacher all day. Then you'll see how high schools work. But thanks for telling me how this will go when you in fact have no idea. Have a seat.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you're resorting to insults. I was telling you what options exist from my youngest child’s experience.

I have two kids in high school as well, but I don't experience the "sudden" early releases. In fact, I rarely hear from them because they are generally responsible for their own transportation. They can take the school bus and ART for most activities, or just arrange their own carpool, so I'm not heavily involved except when it’s my turn to drive and that’s known well in advance.

It sounds like your kids may not be as independent as they should be at this stage in high school.

If your kid is actually in high school go ask them how they pull up the ART bus schedule without using their phone.

Are they taking the bus during school? That doesn't sound right. Phones are available after school.

The schedules are published. You can print them out, put a PDF in their school account, they may even have free maps and schedules at the public library. They also can know the route like 55 comes every 15 minutes.

They aren’t splitting the atom to catch a bus.

And as PP said, as they are walking out of school they can flip on their phone and look at all the bus schedules they wish.

print them out? are you living in the 1980s? you sound like you are truly afraid of today's tech. and you clearly aren't very familiar with it.

I’m in tech, and am certain I’m more versed in today’s tech than you will ever be.

They can print to a PDF and store on school laptop, they can physically print out the schedule, but most likely they will simply know which route and frequency of that route for where they usually go. I suspect I’m also more versed in how to ride a bus, but that’s how it is when you have to be self reliant at a younger age rather than have mom and pop paying for taxis.

Sounds like you haven’t done this in a while and are out of touch now with your pdf printouts.

What are you even talking about? Out of touch? It’s a freaking timetable, not an LLM API. It doesn’t need constant internet access.

You've never heard of real time monitoring in the app? You really are living in the 90s.

I’ve been using real time tracking of buses since it was SMS messages api.

I just don’t understand why you would need to know the real time schedule until the end of the day when student would actually be taking the bus. And that is when they are walking out the school door with a working phone to check the ART tracker.

Your desperation to build castles in the sky to justify why your child needs a phone are inane.

I don't think you understand what high school days look like for a jr or a sr. All these parents of younger kids thinking they know what's best for 18 year olds is just insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to know how much instructional time is going to be lost on these silly pouches. I heard horror stories from friends at Wakefield about their kids being late to class because of the pouch check ins.

“Instructional time” at the start of day is always of low value anyways, kids are late for all sorts of reasons, announcements, greeting friends etc. mountains out of molehills on that one.

We already are seeing lost instructional time from phone interruptions, and those have not been improving— the pouch process will improve.

So your position is that we must pouch phones because phones cause lost instructional time, but when the pouches themselves cause lost instructional time, that's A-OK with you?!

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Anonymous wrote:After reading this thread, I'm considering advocating to adjust one of my kids' IEPs to have their phone on them in honor of all of your condescension towards those who have reasonable criticisms of cellphone bans.

Parent's rights don't exist until it's certain parent's rights I see.

This. Parents rights for me but not for thee.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just have all these people obsessed with sports over school start a public school academy. Where they have monitors on all the walls so every team and player knows the minute to minute schedule. It’s already ruined college admissions, so let’s just break off the sports obsessed.

It’s just sports. Band, play practice, club meetings, etc can and do change schedules after the school day has started. This is annoying, but not insurmountable.

I assumed they meant sports outside of school? Why would it matter if after school activities changed? A high schooler can take the bus or wait for a parent to pick them up. There is no urgency unless they need to go somewhere else after school.

The main issue we’ve had is that the kid thought a practice was happening after (at) school, and they can miss the bus if the practice is cancelled & they don’t know in time. Then they’re stuck at school for potentially hours if a parent can’t pick them up. But yes, they can check phones right after school & hopefully see the change in time.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

Yes

Well that's nice for you, but my kid's school would not do that.

So you show up for picking up your child early at the front office, and they ignore you and won’t page them?

Our elementary school has a Google form, I imagine high schools could do something similar, maybe ask your PTA.

How often is this a problem? Why are you jump scaring your kids with early pickups more than a couple times a year? What comes up that you can’t discuss in the morning?

Aah, I see your kid is in elementary. Get back to me when they are in high school and aren't just in one place with a teacher all day. Then you'll see how high schools work. But thanks for telling me how this will go when you in fact have no idea. Have a seat.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you're resorting to insults. I was telling you what options exist from my youngest child’s experience.

I have two kids in high school as well, but I don't experience the "sudden" early releases. In fact, I rarely hear from them because they are generally responsible for their own transportation. They can take the school bus and ART for most activities, or just arrange their own carpool, so I'm not heavily involved except when it’s my turn to drive and that’s known well in advance.

It sounds like your kids may not be as independent as they should be at this stage in high school.

If your kid is actually in high school go ask them how they pull up the ART bus schedule without using their phone.

Are they taking the bus during school? That doesn't sound right. Phones are available after school.

The schedules are published. You can print them out, put a PDF in their school account, they may even have free maps and schedules at the public library. They also can know the route like 55 comes every 15 minutes.

They aren’t splitting the atom to catch a bus.

And as PP said, as they are walking out of school they can flip on their phone and look at all the bus schedules they wish.

print them out? are you living in the 1980s? you sound like you are truly afraid of today's tech. and you clearly aren't very familiar with it.

I’m in tech, and am certain I’m more versed in today’s tech than you will ever be.

They can print to a PDF and store on school laptop, they can physically print out the schedule, but most likely they will simply know which route and frequency of that route for where they usually go. I suspect I’m also more versed in how to ride a bus, but that’s how it is when you have to be self reliant at a younger age rather than have mom and pop paying for taxis.

Sounds like you haven’t done this in a while and are out of touch now with your pdf printouts.

What are you even talking about? Out of touch? It’s a freaking timetable, not an LLM API. It doesn’t need constant internet access.

You've never heard of real time monitoring in the app? You really are living in the 90s.

I’ve been using real time tracking of buses since it was SMS messages api.

I just don’t understand why you would need to know the real time schedule until the end of the day when student would actually be taking the bus. And that is when they are walking out the school door with a working phone to check the ART tracker.

Your desperation to build castles in the sky to justify why your child needs a phone are inane.

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to know how much instructional time is going to be lost on these silly pouches. I heard horror stories from friends at Wakefield about their kids being late to class because of the pouch check ins.

“Instructional time” at the start of day is always of low value anyways, kids are late for all sorts of reasons, announcements, greeting friends etc. mountains out of molehills on that one.

We already are seeing lost instructional time from phone interruptions, and those have not been improving— the pouch process will improve.

Anonymous wrote:I would like to know how much instructional time is going to be lost on these silly pouches. I heard horror stories from friends at Wakefield about their kids being late to class because of the pouch check ins.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fine with the pouches. Don’t feel strongly one way or the other. But I do wonder how the front office is going to manage all the parents calling with schedule changes. And frankly the biggest communicator of mid day schedule changes and providing same day info during the day was my kid’s high school coach who was also a teacher at the school.

I bet a lot of kids get watches. Turn them on during lunch or switching classes or keep them on all day.

Schedule changes. What did we do before phones? They will turn their phone the instant they step out of school and get your message don’t worry.

What if I need to pick my kid up early? You really think the office is going to give them that message?

Yes

Well that's nice for you, but my kid's school would not do that.

So you show up for picking up your child early at the front office, and they ignore you and won’t page them?

Our elementary school has a Google form, I imagine high schools could do something similar, maybe ask your PTA.

How often is this a problem? Why are you jump scaring your kids with early pickups more than a couple times a year? What comes up that you can’t discuss in the morning?

Aah, I see your kid is in elementary. Get back to me when they are in high school and aren't just in one place with a teacher all day. Then you'll see how high schools work. But thanks for telling me how this will go when you in fact have no idea. Have a seat.

Instead of addressing my concerns, you're resorting to insults. I was telling you what options exist from my youngest child’s experience.

I have two kids in high school as well, but I don't experience the "sudden" early releases. In fact, I rarely hear from them because they are generally responsible for their own transportation. They can take the school bus and ART for most activities, or just arrange their own carpool, so I'm not heavily involved except when it’s my turn to drive and that’s known well in advance.

It sounds like your kids may not be as independent as they should be at this stage in high school.

If your kid is actually in high school go ask them how they pull up the ART bus schedule without using their phone.

Are they taking the bus during school? That doesn't sound right. Phones are available after school.

The schedules are published. You can print them out, put a PDF in their school account, they may even have free maps and schedules at the public library. They also can know the route like 55 comes every 15 minutes.

They aren’t splitting the atom to catch a bus.

And as PP said, as they are walking out of school they can flip on their phone and look at all the bus schedules they wish.

print them out? are you living in the 1980s? you sound like you are truly afraid of today's tech. and you clearly aren't very familiar with it.

I’m in tech, and am certain I’m more versed in today’s tech than you will ever be.

They can print to a PDF and store on school laptop, they can physically print out the schedule, but most likely they will simply know which route and frequency of that route for where they usually go. I suspect I’m also more versed in how to ride a bus, but that’s how it is when you have to be self reliant at a younger age rather than have mom and pop paying for taxis.

Sounds like you haven’t done this in a while and are out of touch now with your pdf printouts.

What are you even talking about? Out of touch? It’s a freaking timetable, not an LLM API. It doesn’t need constant internet access.

You've never heard of real time monitoring in the app? You really are living in the 90s.