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Anonymous wrote:How about Boston University? There are major hospitals nearby and a lot of research/intern/shadowing opportunities.

this!!

Except it completely misses the mark. Boston university has intense grade deflation. You’re also losing those opportunities to Harvard, Wellesley, Tufts students.

Not sure what you meant by "losing those opportunities to Harvard, Wellesley, Tufts students."

Those are the better premeds who will get the research and internship opportunities in the city. Pretty obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Boston University? There are major hospitals nearby and a lot of research/intern/shadowing opportunities.

this!!

Except it completely misses the mark. Boston university has intense grade deflation. You’re also losing those opportunities to Harvard, Wellesley, Tufts students.

Not sure what you meant by "losing those opportunities to Harvard, Wellesley, Tufts students."

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

For those targeting TOP med schools undergrad matters. My T5 med school was 1/3 ivy/T15/williams/amherst and another 1/3 from the rest of the T30 privates and T10 publics. The rest were a few from hbcus, lower slacs and T100 type publics. It still has around the same ratios today. Yes you can get in from a T100 but it is not nearly as likely especially without demographic hooks

Medical school is not law school, you dont need to go to a top medical school. Doesn't matter if its MD or DO either.

First part is true - second part, not really. Each step in the training process matters way more than the step before it. My wife chose the full scholarship at a lesser med school, but was at the top of her class and rolled that into a residency at Mayo Clinc/ fellowship at Johns Hopkins in a surgical field. That would not have happened with DO, but by the time she got to Hopkins, her med school training was hardly considered.

Oh and I left out she graduated from Mary Washington out of state for undergrad, which isn't ever brought up past med school.

We choose in-state flagship (UVA, so similar to UMichigan) in order to preserve funds for med school. We are comfortable financially but not so comfortable that a few hundred thousand dollars means nothing to us.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

For those targeting TOP med schools undergrad matters. My T5 med school was 1/3 ivy/T15/williams/amherst and another 1/3 from the rest of the T30 privates and T10 publics. The rest were a few from hbcus, lower slacs and T100 type publics. It still has around the same ratios today. Yes you can get in from a T100 but it is not nearly as likely especially without demographic hooks

Medical school is not law school, you dont need to go to a top medical school. Doesn't matter if its MD or DO either.

First part is true - second part, not really. Each step in the training process matters way more than the step before it. My wife chose the full scholarship at a lesser med school, but was at the top of her class and rolled that into a residency at Mayo Clinc/ fellowship at Johns Hopkins in a surgical field. That would not have happened with DO, but by the time she got to Hopkins, her med school training was hardly considered.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Boston University? There are major hospitals nearby and a lot of research/intern/shadowing opportunities.

this!!

Except it completely misses the mark. Boston university has intense grade deflation. You’re also losing those opportunities to Harvard, Wellesley, Tufts students.

Anonymous wrote:How about Boston University? There are major hospitals nearby and a lot of research/intern/shadowing opportunities.

this!!

Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering what is better for premed if you had a choice between Brown vs. Bowdoin/Amherst, or Tufts vs. Wesleyan. Brown has more volunteer/research/shadowing opportunities, but are they very competitive and hard to get? Is it hard to get these at tufts because there are so many premeds there, and in Boston more generally? I’ve heard both that access to a med school is helpful (Brown/Tufts), and that top SLACs are less likely to have weed out classes and are good for premed. Not sure how to weigh these.

All about the same. These are all top schools with minute differences in med school acceptance rates.

I’m wondering what is better for premed if you had a choice between Brown vs. Bowdoin/Amherst, or Tufts vs. Wesleyan. Brown has more volunteer/research/shadowing opportunities, but are they very competitive and hard to get? Is it hard to get these at tufts because there are so many premeds there, and in Boston more generally? I’ve heard both that access to a med school is helpful (Brown/Tufts), and that top SLACs are less likely to have weed out classes and are good for premed. Not sure how to weigh these.

^residency programs select based on experience: some DO schools do not have adequate inpatient ward experience so internal med or pediatrics at a research hospital will not pick from DO.
Same for MD schools that are primary care basd or low ranked research: they do not have transplant medicine, neurosurgery, many more. The known bigger name residency programs will not pick med students who have not had experience in that field.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Med school like law school where the #1 feeder is the undergraduate school?

Med school not like law school

1/3 of Emory med school went to Emory undergrad.

I don’t think you are correct.

That’s a lot. Is that a good thing? No cross fertilization of students?

I don’t know…but it certainly implies that med schools favor their own undergrads.

Perhaps the undergrads get to know the med school staff that makes admission decisions?

No it doesn't?

I think it does. I thought it was around 5% or so but 1/3 is really high. But, nevertheless, I think it does.

Now find the source. Don't trust random internet people to make your opinions for you.

You are oddly weird.

And you follow random people online who make up claims with no evidence. No where on brown's med school page does it mention 1/3 of the class being brown undergraduates. I'd recommend learning to be an independent person, before trying to critique others.

You mean random people online…like you?

Great. We can continue when you can respond and make a point. Or find a source to the claim!

Why would I pay attention to what a random person online wants?

You had no issue believing strangers online before.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a premed at Brown, they didn’t get into PLME and now think it’s a blessing. They love the school and Providence, but want to apply out. It is an incredible way to go through though, they get a lot of support and a lot less grade pressure with no MCAT. Those chosen seem to have compelling stories, my unhooked with perfect stats, loads of leadership, research, EMT and so on didn’t cut it. The classes are very rigorous and vast majority skip intro classes. MCAT scores are very high and don’t need as much prep time due to class difficulty. The premeds don’t take classes S/NC unless it’s the occasional English class that is mandatory S/NC. Haven’t applied yet, but they’ve had great experience. Met with advising starting as a first year and meet whenever they have a question or have a need.

PLME is beneficial talent for brown. They need those kids more than those kids need brown. The type of person who gets into PLME would probably get into Harvard Med or Stanford Med, but brown gets to hold onto that talent with guaranteed med school.

Yeah sure, if they are that talented, how come Brown med school is never in T20? PLME's been around for many many years.

To PPP. I agree with your assessment (i.e., "they didn't get into PLME..."). If your kid is high performing, I'd not want to lock them up in one program. They can try for UCSF, Hopkins, Harvard...etc.

Because that’s not how med school rankings work? Apologies, but who are you and what do you know about med school?

LOL. Who am I? Just a parent w/ two kids that went thru the process. 1 in med school, another in residency.

I just asked. That’s good, so you should know that med school rankings aren’t just MCAT/GPA rankings.

I'd argue med school rankings have very little to do with students MCAP/GPA rankings. What bothers me is that some posters here keep repeating "unless you are in Ivy/Top 10, your kids are screwed" message which I don't agree with. You can get to med school from any public or private schools. Just go to each med school's website and check students' profile (most of med schools show which college they are from). Even in Top medical programs, you will see a lot of state school kids (and some no name schools). It's what you do in college, not the name of the college.

For those targeting TOP med schools undergrad matters. My T5 med school was 1/3 ivy/T15/williams/amherst and another 1/3 from the rest of the T30 privates and T10 publics. The rest were a few from hbcus, lower slacs and T100 type publics. It still has around the same ratios today. Yes you can get in from a T100 but it is not nearly as likely especially without demographic hooks

Medical school is not law school, you dont need to go to a top medical school. Doesn't matter if its MD or DO either.

You do have to go to a top med school if you want a subspecialty that only 30-40 schools have a decent reputation and/or if you want to go into research medicine at a top academic institution to be on the cutting edge of new healthcare discoveries. You cannot match into neurosurgery from any school, and others are similar. You cannot be a peds heme-onc researcher leading the world unless you can match into CHOP ora handful of other programs and the odds ofthat match are very low outside of one of the top 30-40 research med programs. Same for MD-phD with big academic goals. Some future doctors have these big goals. Others do not know: the optionality of top med schools is superior to lower ranked ones.
DO is a complete different entity: there are many DO schools that have about 1/3 have to scramble for residency after not matching, with most having to switch to family med or rural med to find a spot. MD programs as a whole have less than 5% scramble. The T30-40 med schools have essentially 0 scramble AND one can match into a cardiothoracic surgery or plastics or derm or other harder to get fields from anywhere in the med school class. That is how a T10 med works back 25 yrs ago and still today. That level of school opens ALL doors. Non-T50ish can close some doors but not most.
DO schools close many doors.

People do not want to hear it because it goes against the classic dcum and CC “go to the cheapest undergrad and who cares what med school a doctor is a doctor”. But it is not true. There are differences depending on aspirations.

Anonymous wrote:Is Med school like law school where the #1 feeder is the undergraduate school?

Mcat is probably most important then Gpa then undergrad program is considered: both the school itself as well as the rigor of the curriculum. One can challenge themselves at state schools and be a top kid and get into Harvard or PennMed or similar

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Anonymous wrote:Is Med school like law school where the #1 feeder is the undergraduate school?

Med school not like law school

1/3 of Emory med school went to Emory undergrad.

I don’t think you are correct.

That’s a lot. Is that a good thing? No cross fertilization of students?

I don’t know…but it certainly implies that med schools favor their own undergrads.

Perhaps the undergrads get to know the med school staff that makes admission decisions?

No it doesn't?

I think it does. I thought it was around 5% or so but 1/3 is really high. But, nevertheless, I think it does.

Now find the source. Don't trust random internet people to make your opinions for you.

You are oddly weird.

And you follow random people online who make up claims with no evidence. No where on brown's med school page does it mention 1/3 of the class being brown undergraduates. I'd recommend learning to be an independent person, before trying to critique others.

You mean random people online…like you?

Great. We can continue when you can respond and make a point. Or find a source to the claim!

Why would I pay attention to what a random person online wants?

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Anonymous wrote:Is Med school like law school where the #1 feeder is the undergraduate school?

Med school not like law school

1/3 of Emory med school went to Emory undergrad.

I don’t think you are correct.

That’s a lot. Is that a good thing? No cross fertilization of students?

I don’t know…but it certainly implies that med schools favor their own undergrads.

Perhaps the undergrads get to know the med school staff that makes admission decisions?

No it doesn't?

I think it does. I thought it was around 5% or so but 1/3 is really high. But, nevertheless, I think it does.

Now find the source. Don't trust random internet people to make your opinions for you.

You are oddly weird.

And you follow random people online who make up claims with no evidence. No where on brown's med school page does it mention 1/3 of the class being brown undergraduates. I'd recommend learning to be an independent person, before trying to critique others.

You mean random people online…like you?

Great. We can continue when you can respond and make a point. Or find a source to the claim!