Why does a woman have to have been promiscuous to enjoy non-vanilla sex? My experience has been that women who have had a limited number of partners are often the most adventurous and the most fun. What "type of woman" are you posting about?

And I am not a man who wants to be "taught how to play". As noted, some men may be into having a woman tell them what to do. However, that is not me.

It shows that you don’t like to listen to women and what they like in bed. By age 40 most women know which techniques and pressure points get them to O. You can’t change it with your techniques completely re-training the woman.

Your approach is a classic example of Madonna-Wh.. complex in men . It’s the most traumatizing male deviation, for both partners. Both will never get to fully open up in bed achieve full potential. She’s be coy about her needs imitating orgasm.

You have to work with a therapist to address it.

No, it shows that I do not like women telling me what to do in bed. There is a big difference between a woman telling me (or showing me) what she likes and her telling me what to do. I have highlighted my PP so you can see exactly what I posted. I am dominant in bed; therefore, I prefer submissive women. That difference should be clear to you.

You can access all the pressure points and use the techniques you both enjoy without her telling you what to do and when. You seem very experienced, so maybe this has not worked for you since you need to be in charge during sex. As I mentioned earlier, that is not my thing. If it is yours (which appears to be the case), rock on, sister.

Madonna/Wh0re complex you mentioned is not applicable. This complex usually manifests when a man cannot view his wife as a sexual being (e.g., he cannot have sex when she is pregnant), not when a dominant man likes submissive women. You need to understand that when both partners align their preferences (e.g., a submissive woman finds a dominant man), they can easily share what each likes in the context of their dynamic.

Your suggestion that I need therapy is likely a reflection of your inability to meet your needs (e.g., you think you want to be dominant but want to be submissive). In any event, your wires are crossed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

There is no reason a woman cannot be a "nice girl" in her social world and a "good girl" in bed. Women who know what they enjoy without broadcasting it to the world are genuine and much better company than someone like the poster who said women of this type are fake.

As a man looking for this type of woman, finding someone like you is the best. Anybody who started to control your whereabouts or went crazy with texts was the one with the problem.

The problem is research shows that a woman's ability to pair bond decreases as her number of sexual partners increases. Men know this instinctively. If PP were younger, there'd be a chance, especially if they discovered these things together. But to show up to the party with so much knowledge begs certain questions.

No Chad, this research was debunked and no correlation between pair bonding and casual sec was found for women. It’s shared experiences that create the pair bond.
Try dating your women , organize dates - they’ll bond with you better and maybe you can lock up one.

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This is total BS. Many men are just intimidated by this type of woman because they are afraid they can’t deliver and their egos would be crushed. Better to have a naive woman (even though she’s probably faking O).

Not all men, mind you. Some love it and some are willing to be taught how to play.

Why does a woman have to have been promiscuous to enjoy non-vanilla sex? My experience has been that women who have had a limited number of partners are often the most adventurous and the most fun. What "type of woman" are you posting about?

And I am not a man who wants to be "taught how to play". As noted, some men may be into having a woman tell them what to do. However, that is not me.

It shows that you don’t like to listen to women and what they like in bed. By age 40 most women know which techniques and pressure points get them to O. You can’t change it with your techniques completely re-training the woman.

Your approach is a classic example of Madonna-Wh.. complex in men . It’s the most traumatizing male deviation, for both partners. Both will never get to fully open up in bed achieve full potential. She’s be coy about her needs imitating orgasm.

You have to work with a therapist to address it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

There is no reason a woman cannot be a "nice girl" in her social world and a "good girl" in bed. Women who know what they enjoy without broadcasting it to the world are genuine and much better company than someone like the poster who said women of this type are fake.

As a man looking for this type of woman, finding someone like you is the best. Anybody who started to control your whereabouts or went crazy with texts was the one with the problem.

The problem is research shows that a woman's ability to pair bond decreases as her number of sexual partners increases. Men know this instinctively. If PP were younger, there'd be a chance, especially if they discovered these things together. But to show up to the party with so much knowledge begs certain questions.

This is total BS. Many men are just intimidated by this type of woman because they are afraid they can’t deliver and their egos would be crushed. Better to have a naive woman (even though she’s probably faking O).

Not all men, mind you. Some love it and some are willing to be taught how to play.

Men are not intimidated by skanks, they are disgusted by them. You know that "get the ick" thing women always talk about? It's that.

Why do you equate sexuality and deep knowledge of a male body with being a skank ? Experience and enjoying sex comes from having lots of quality sex in the past. Not from quantity of partners. Most of my existence comes from almost 20 years long marriage to a high L exH.

This is total BS. Many men are just intimidated by this type of woman because they are afraid they can’t deliver and their egos would be crushed. Better to have a naive woman (even though she’s probably faking O).

Not all men, mind you. Some love it and some are willing to be taught how to play.

Why does a woman have to have been promiscuous to enjoy non-vanilla sex? My experience has been that women who have had a limited number of partners are often the most adventurous and the most fun. What "type of woman" are you posting about?

And I am not a man who wants to be "taught how to play". As noted, some men may be into having a woman tell them what to do. However, that is not me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

There is no reason a woman cannot be a "nice girl" in her social world and a "good girl" in bed. Women who know what they enjoy without broadcasting it to the world are genuine and much better company than someone like the poster who said women of this type are fake.

As a man looking for this type of woman, finding someone like you is the best. Anybody who started to control your whereabouts or went crazy with texts was the one with the problem.

The problem is research shows that a woman's ability to pair bond decreases as her number of sexual partners increases. Men know this instinctively. If PP were younger, there'd be a chance, especially if they discovered these things together. But to show up to the party with so much knowledge begs certain questions.

This is total BS. Many men are just intimidated by this type of woman because they are afraid they can’t deliver and their egos would be crushed. Better to have a naive woman (even though she’s probably faking O).

Not all men, mind you. Some love it and some are willing to be taught how to play.

Men are not intimidated by skanks, they are disgusted by them. You know that "get the ick" thing women always talk about? It's that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

There is no reason a woman cannot be a "nice girl" in her social world and a "good girl" in bed. Women who know what they enjoy without broadcasting it to the world are genuine and much better company than someone like the poster who said women of this type are fake.

As a man looking for this type of woman, finding someone like you is the best. Anybody who started to control your whereabouts or went crazy with texts was the one with the problem.

The problem is research shows that a woman's ability to pair bond decreases as her number of sexual partners increases. Men know this instinctively. If PP were younger, there'd be a chance, especially if they discovered these things together. But to show up to the party with so much knowledge begs certain questions.

This is total BS. Many men are just intimidated by this type of woman because they are afraid they can’t deliver and their egos would be crushed. Better to have a naive woman (even though she’s probably faking O).

Not all men, mind you. Some love it and some are willing to be taught how to play.

Thread is totally overtaken by men-hating women.

Yes, because a thread discussing what single men in their 50s was so much better when it was overtaken by man-hating women (i.e., 75% of DCUM). /s

Thread is totally overtaken by men-hating women.

Anonymous wrote:

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

There is no reason a woman cannot be a "nice girl" in her social world and a "good girl" in bed. Women who know what they enjoy without broadcasting it to the world are genuine and much better company than someone like the poster who said women of this type are fake.

As a man looking for this type of woman, finding someone like you is the best. Anybody who started to control your whereabouts or went crazy with texts was the one with the problem.

The problem is research shows that a woman's ability to pair bond decreases as her number of sexual partners increases. Men know this instinctively. If PP were younger, there'd be a chance, especially if they discovered these things together. But to show up to the party with so much knowledge begs certain questions.

Anonymous wrote:I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

Enjoy dying alone.

I think I'm the soul sister to the "nice girl" turns "naughty" behind closed doors, also looking for FWB late 40s/early 50s. Where did you two meet? I still haven't connected with the right one yet.

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

There is no reason a woman cannot be a "nice girl" in her social world and a "good girl" in bed. Women who know what they enjoy without broadcasting it to the world are genuine and much better company than someone like the poster who said women of this type are fake.

As a man looking for this type of woman, finding someone like you is the best. Anybody who started to control your whereabouts or went crazy with texts was the one with the problem.

I’m that type of a woman “good girl” first appearance and naughty in bedroom. It’s exceptionally difficult to build trusting relationships with men when they encounter porn star level of techniques in bed. Men start asking questions how many partners I had before (and if I tell under 10 they don’t believe), if I ever cheated on exH (I never did), start controlling my whereabouts, go crazy with texts, or other way around - tell me they are not looking just to play but for a lifelong partner. As if a sexual woman is not capable of being a life partner.

I’m not playing I simply enjoy sex and have a lot of experience, mostly with ex spouse. My exH had extremely high libido, was into role play, etc. He was poly (f..d multiple women, often on same days as me), so we eventually divorced.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a single guy in my 50s and love the demure in public and naughty in private. This combo is very much worth looking for and taking care of once found.

The most fun FWB I had post-divorce was on the PTA board for her kids' school. She also taught (no joke) Sunday School. She was bright, beautiful, and very well-mannered.

However, when she was free to be herself, she was also very naughty. She said that the "naughty" side of her scared her ex-DH, which seemed so sad to me.

These types of people suck to me as a friend. They are hot and cold personalities and fake. Maybe as a lover it works but I find genuine people better at friendship and love.

I don't think "those kind of people" are anything less than genuine. They are complex. I'm new to this particular subdiscussion, and I also like finding out that my partner is more passion than I originally expected.