Anonymous wrote:dude go ask your fancy private feeder school for advice that you're paying all that $$ for and stop bothering us!

it sounds like you're worried about 1st world problems like what is the highest prestige school your 3.7 gpa kid can get into since he's "such a leader" and at such a wonderful feeder private school.

we don't care about your need to chase the highest possible prestige despite your kid not applying himself in spanish. your school and its many resources can help you figure out a happy landing at a great school given how much of a feeder they are to the movers and shakers. your kid is already all set. leave us alone.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, private feeder IS a hook.

my usual reminder to check out the HW college counseling book for their acceptances. they remove the hooked kids. you'll see Harvard will take a 3.5 kid every year and Middlebury won't.

this is from feeder schools only

https://students.hw.com/Portals/44/handbook0125.pdf?ver=mCSTXqyrt4IYDI-PvMShlQ%3d%3d

There are other factors to consider, AOs don't look at 3.5 in isolation. National awards? Highest rigor? High test scores? Recommendation? All these factors can prove academic competency.

I think that's what this whole post is about. But I think the point was that a lot of schools will automatically drop a 3.5 kid and, ironically, HYPS are not among those schools. this kid will be a long shot but considering the rest of the application has *some* shot.

PP. Agree, and I think all T20 don't autoreject 3.5.

But also HW is not just any regional feeder school. Unless OP's school is at HW level, I would think more realistically.

OP I think HW might be top 10 in America. Our HS is top 25. Not quite same league, but a feeder for sure. I wish our HS did what HW did - and produced a document taking out the most hooked. It's hard to look at Naviance knowing how skewed it can be with hooked.

If its T25, you are GOLDEN!!!
Don't worry.

Do you have access to (1) matriculation from your HS for last 1-3 years and (2) where kids were admitted (all admits) last year?
If so, take your HS matriculation on the college counseling website/portal, and download/save it to the paid Claude AI.
Then input your kids stats and grades, ECs, awards, majors, and guestimate of where in class.
Ask it for recommendations for schools based on customized historical data.
Also input any info you have on where kids with the similar "high level" leadership have gone in the past few years, any competition from your current HS senior class as far as legacy (e.g., if there are 3 Harvard legacies, 2 Yale legacies and 3 Stanford legacies in your class, your kid should not waste an REA at ANY of them).

I'd like to do this. I have a list of where kids went to college from past 5 years (from school profile) and an access to naviance, but not sure how to download that into something I could upload to Claude. Does anyone know how to do this?

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Anonymous wrote:People think of leadership when they think of Vandy? Really? We’re talking about the same frat-infested, party school?

Less than 25 percent of Vandy students join fraternities or sororities. But yes, Vanderbilt is notorious for valuing “leadership” in admissions. They’ll take the class president over the valedictorian every single day

Because the valedictorian isn't applying.

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Anonymous wrote:People think of leadership when they think of Vandy? Really? We’re talking about the same frat-infested, party school?

Less than 25 percent of Vandy students join fraternities or sororities. But yes, Vanderbilt is notorious for valuing “leadership” in admissions. They’ll take the class president over the valedictorian every single day

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Anonymous wrote:At our private, HYP are always hooked admits - including URM and FG.

In contrast, Stanford often doesn’t admit those kids and picks a high test score contrarian applicant - a doer, entrepreneur or activist. No Olympiad etc

- non DC private

It does seem like Stanford is more lenient on gpa if has a high score and entrepreneurship. Have seen quite a few HYP rejects having their happy moments when Stanford releases decisions on the next day.

Anonymous wrote:People think of leadership when they think of Vandy? Really? We’re talking about the same frat-infested, party school?

Anonymous wrote:Your kid has a fabulous profile:
- feeder private HS (this is a huge plus)
- humanities boy (another plus, depending on major)
- best in school EC
- best in school LOR (wow- this is big)
- 1550 ACT (great!)
- regional awards

Ok, so what classes were the lower grades in? If only Spanish, I'd still aim (strategically) for T10 with an ED (Penn (CAS); Northwestern, Duke (maybe - depending on your school data)) or Brown.

Depending on the major, I think this kid gets into Cornell RD, WashU RD, and maybe Rice RD (make sure to show demonstrated interest). Not getting into Vanderbilt unless ED2. Maybe one other Ivy in RD, if very well thought out application.

Your ED choice is extremely important. But no one outside your school can advise you because we can't see your Naviance/Maia/SCOIR.

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Anonymous wrote:At our private, HYP are always hooked admits - including URM and FG.

In contrast, Stanford often doesn’t admit those kids and picks a high test score contrarian applicant - a doer, entrepreneur or activist. No Olympiad etc

- non DC private

It does seem like Stanford is more lenient on gpa if has a high score and entrepreneurship. Have seen quite a few HYP rejects having their happy moments when Stanford releases decisions on the next day.

Anonymous wrote:At our private, HYP are always hooked admits - including URM and FG.

In contrast, Stanford often doesn’t admit those kids and picks a high test score contrarian applicant - a doer, entrepreneur or activist. No Olympiad etc

- non DC private

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Anonymous wrote:At our non-DMV private, this kid would:
ED to Vanderbilt (if it is in fact school leadership - like president)....shoe in

Agree on ND. That works for our HS too. Otherwise, add in: Cornell, WashU (ED2), Rice, UChicago (ED3) all work for us.

Add in Wake and a RD Stanford (sometimes we see our strong test scores, lower grade true humanities kids get in RD but need some sort of exceptional humanitarian/social impact/activism EC)

I don't understand. How is this good advice? If he "shoe in" Vandy then it's the end of the story why are you still talking about other schools?
Unless Vandy is his dream school, ED there makes sense. Absent a dream school, you need another strategy maximizing out.

Bc Vandy defers and admits in RD a lot of private school boys. Its just what they do.
So you need a longer-term RD plan.

Vandy actually defers very few kids, and didn’t defer any until the 2023 cycle.

We know 6 kids deferred ED this year (1 or 2) from Vanderbilt. All private HS.
In RD, 4 of them admitted, 2 were put on WL.

You do know the difference between anecdote and data. Vandy says they defer very few kids.

So six kids from one high school? And four were admitted? Curious as to where, please share.

Bumping because remain curious. Where is this?

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Anonymous wrote:People think of leadership when they think of Vandy? Really? We’re talking about the same frat-infested, party school?

Leadership is subject to interpretation. Don't think Vandy is frat-infested party school.
but also to me leadership means leadership in terms of qualities for future entrepreuner future SCOTUS future nobel laureates, etc.