Anonymous
09/15/2025 22:00
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I attended a VT event. They said they studied outcomes of students submitting test scores vs. those that didn't with the same GPAs. They found not statistically significant difference between outcomes (college grades, time to graduation) between the 2 groups.
I haven't personally seen a study, but as a data nerd, I paid attention to the comment & the details.
This probably depends on the academic rigor of the college, for example
VT versus MIT/Caltech/HYP. At the very top, standardized tests likely do
make a difference to distinguish inflated 4.0
GPAs from an easy high school versus 4.0 GPAs from
kids who can actually handle difficult coursework. Also, its a lot harder to bluff your way through a STEM major without having a solid foundation that is doubly verified by both GPA and standardized testing.
I would like to see a study because this is not what Harvard and Brown saw.
Anonymous
09/15/2025 21:59
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
Anonymous wrote:The whole world will eventually go back to test required.
Everyone knows that the *only* reason to not submit standardized test scores is when the scores are bad relative to the median for a given institution.
And the *only* reason scores will be bad relative to the institutional median is when a student is not adequately prepared for academic success at a selective institution.
Smart/ hard working kids have good scores.
Dumb/ lazy kids have bad scores.
It's just that simple.
The tests are coming back.
Or they just aren't actually that focused on academics.
Anonymous
09/15/2025 17:26
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
Test prep services are raking in the $$$
Princeton review has a book for each year
Princeton review has a book for each year
Anonymous
09/15/2025 15:47
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
Anonymous wrote:The whole world will eventually go back to test required.
Everyone knows that the *only* reason to not submit standardized test scores is when the scores are bad relative to the median for a given institution.
And the *only* reason scores will be bad relative to the institutional median is when a student is not adequately prepared for academic success at a selective institution.
Smart/ hard working kids have good scores.
Dumb/ lazy kids have bad scores.
It's just that simple.
The tests are coming back.
The obsession with test scores on the forum is weird. A poor test score means a kid is “dumb/lazy”? Really? Now we insult kids with lower scores? Geez…
Anonymous
09/15/2025 15:37
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
Anonymous wrote:I attended a VT event. They said they studied outcomes of students submitting test scores vs. those that didn't with the same GPAs. They found not statistically significant difference between outcomes (college grades, time to graduation) between the 2 groups.
I haven't personally seen a study, but as a data nerd, I paid attention to the comment & the details.
This probably depends on the academic rigor of the college, for example
VT versus MIT/Caltech/HYP. At the very top, standardized tests likely do
make a difference to distinguish inflated 4.0
GPAs from an easy high school versus 4.0 GPAs from
kids who can actually handle difficult coursework. Also, its a lot harder to bluff your way through a STEM major without having a solid foundation that is doubly verified by both GPA and standardized testing.
Anonymous
09/15/2025 12:38
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
Anonymous wrote:The whole world will eventually go back to test required.
Everyone knows that the *only* reason to not submit standardized test scores is when the scores are bad relative to the median for a given institution.
And the *only* reason scores will be bad relative to the institutional median is when a student is not adequately prepared for academic success at a selective institution.
Smart/ hard working kids have good scores.
Dumb/ lazy kids have bad scores.
It's just that simple.
The tests are coming back.
For what purpose? Many institutions have a permanent TO policy now and they’re seeing record applications, they’re getting the best students, and they’ve seen different, but not negative, or no changes in student outcomes.
Anonymous
09/15/2025 12:26
Subject: Tests are back, where’s the data?
The whole world will eventually go back to test required.
Everyone knows that the *only* reason to not submit standardized test scores is when the scores are bad relative to the median for a given institution.
And the *only* reason scores will be bad relative to the institutional median is when a student is not adequately prepared for academic success at a selective institution.
Smart/ hard working kids have good scores.
Dumb/ lazy kids have bad scores.
It's just that simple.
The tests are coming back.
Everyone knows that the *only* reason to not submit standardized test scores is when the scores are bad relative to the median for a given institution.
And the *only* reason scores will be bad relative to the institutional median is when a student is not adequately prepared for academic success at a selective institution.
Smart/ hard working kids have good scores.
Dumb/ lazy kids have bad scores.
It's just that simple.
The tests are coming back.