Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:48
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.
Read the bill. Children with disabilities, which this situation above falls under, aren’t losing coverage under this bill.
The state they live in MAY choose to reduce their coverage in the future - and states have ALWAYS had the right to adjust how they administer Medicaid, which includes tightening restrictions or removing groups entirely.
It seems like most of the US - and this thread - wasn’t aware of that until this bill came up.
In my state (PA) Medicaid pays for care for disabled children, and the governor has been clear that it will be cut. A cap is a cut.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:45
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Healthcare is not a human right, if I go to someone like a doctor to help me with something I expect to pay them for their services. Why is that so hard for people to understand.
Great, then I suspect you won’t be on Medicare when you’re older.
DP: Slight difference---medicare is something we have all paid into for decades by the time we get to use it. And if you are higher income in retirement, you will still pay $800/month+ for everything beyond Part A, so it ain't cheap.
Not everybody who gets Medicare pays into Medicare. For example, women who don’t work and stay home do not pay into Medicare, but they still get Medicare.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:43
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.
Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.
Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.
Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.
Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.
It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.
My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.
I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.
I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.
Who cares? The argument that we shouldn’t have a work requirement for Medicaid is a weak one.
It’s kind of like the argument we shouldn’t deport illegals because they pick fruit. Since when is the Democratic Party unsupportive of higher wages for Americans?
It’s terrible for democrats to go against the common sense stuff because then people ignore the terrible policy changes.
Ok, perhaps you’re right! What’s the argument FOR having a work requirement for Medicaid? State your position well enough and you might actually get more agreement than you expect.
The thing to under is that administering a work requirement also costs a lot of money in itself. Adding additional hoops costs money to administer.
I’m well aware of that. I’m asking the PP to defend their position. Saying something is “terrible “ without saying WHY it’s “terrible” isn’t an argument. I’m starting to get why so many people are duped by charlatans. Someone could read the PP’s comment, pat themselves on the back for having “common sense” and avoiding “terrible policy changes” — without bothering to notice that the comment they’ve been taken in by has zero actual content. I’m at least trying to challenge that.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:43
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Healthcare is not a human right, if I go to someone like a doctor to help me with something I expect to pay them for their services. Why is that so hard for people to understand.
Well it should be a human right, and we should get rid of the for profit system we have and follow all the other civilized nations in this world. It may not be perfect, but it's 1000x better for most people.
It’s an international human right it’s a human right in 150 nations. It’s a human right in every developed nation except for the United States.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:42
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.
Read the bill. Children with disabilities, which this situation above falls under, aren’t losing coverage under this bill.
The state they live in MAY choose to reduce their coverage in the future - and states have ALWAYS had the right to adjust how they administer Medicaid, which includes tightening restrictions or removing groups entirely.
It seems like most of the US - and this thread - wasn’t aware of that until this bill came up.
But will the parent, who "is healthy enough to work but has to stay home to provide 24 hour care to their kid" be eligible for medicaid and other benefits so the family (kid and mom) can live?
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:41
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.
This. I don’t care about saving on taxes. We are plenty comfortable and don’t need it.
But my heart breaks for those who are losing supports they need for their families.
Then give the money you save on taxes to worthy charities. If you and all your liberal fellow travelers do the same, then the poor will still be well supported.
+1
The virtue signaling is ridiculous.
FYI---many who are HHI already donate plenty to various charities.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:41
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.
This. I don’t care about saving on taxes. We are plenty comfortable and don’t need it.
But my heart breaks for those who are losing supports they need for their families.
Then give the money you save on taxes to worthy charities. If you and all your liberal fellow travelers do the same, then the poor will still be well supported.
+1
The virtue signaling is ridiculous.
So, rich liberals are kind to donate to charities but MAGA just want the rich to be able to get the tax cuts?
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:40
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.
Read the bill. Children with disabilities, which this situation above falls under, aren’t losing coverage under this bill.
The state they live in MAY choose to reduce their coverage in the future - and states have ALWAYS had the right to adjust how they administer Medicaid, which includes tightening restrictions or removing groups entirely.
It seems like most of the US - and this thread - wasn’t aware of that until this bill came up.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:40
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Healthcare is not a human right, if I go to someone like a doctor to help me with something I expect to pay them for their services. Why is that so hard for people to understand.
Great, then I suspect you won’t be on Medicare when you’re older.
DP: Slight difference---medicare is something we have all paid into for decades by the time we get to use it. And if you are higher income in retirement, you will still pay $800/month+ for everything beyond Part A, so it ain't cheap.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:39
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.
MAGA doesn't care. It's God's will.
-Party of family values and pro-life
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:38
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Healthcare is not a human right, if I go to someone like a doctor to help me with something I expect to pay them for their services. Why is that so hard for people to understand.
Well it should be a human right, and we should get rid of the for profit system we have and follow all the other civilized nations in this world. It may not be perfect, but it's 1000x better for most people.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:37
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Family members with autistic adult kids who don't realize they are on Medicaid will be hitting us up for money constantly.
You sound unkind. They do know they are on mediaid.
I think the PP is talking about relatives who voted for THIS and are not smart enough to realize it would affect them.
And no, most don't know "they are on medicaid". back in 2012, many were "happy to finally have affordable healthcare" but they hated Obama and the concept of "Obamacare"---they were not smart enough to to realize the ACA and Obamacare are the same damn thing.
Many of us have plenty of empathy and are happy to pay more in taxes, but we are sick of people voting against themselves and then complaining when the shit they voted for happens to them. Somehow they only thought it would happen to "someone else" (ie someone with darker skin color in most cases)
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:36
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Thrilled the baby bonds made it through. Surprised it isn’t getting any press. This is a hugely progressive policy that previously even Cory Booker was called too liberal by Dems for proposing back in 2018 or so.
Sucks we don’t get anything for current kids.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:35
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.
Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.
Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.
Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.
Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.
It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.
My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.
I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.
I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.
Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS
https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/
+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!
Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.
Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.
Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.
Anonymous
07/03/2025 14:33
Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.
This. I don’t care about saving on taxes. We are plenty comfortable and don’t need it.
But my heart breaks for those who are losing supports they need for their families.
Then give the money you save on taxes to worthy charities. If you and all your liberal fellow travelers do the same, then the poor will still be well supported.
+1
The virtue signaling is ridiculous.