Anonymous
06/27/2025 06:50
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
As a future-looking suggestion, a student interested in philosophy may benefit from keeping the Hamilton College Summer Program in Philosophy in mind.
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Anonymous
06/27/2025 04:27
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Either Bowdoin or Williams would be my suggestion for ED1.
Wesleyan sounds like a strong ED2 possibility.
Also, where do you live? How far are flights/logistics etc?
From my experience, location and travel time matter more than I thought! A shortish direct flight or doable car ride trip to college from home really is worth its weight in gold. Long one is a bigger inconvenience than we thought
Neither of those schools have great ED boosts. Remember Williams has a massive athlete population. Unless you go to a top private school that they have been taking students from for the past 5 years, I would not take that bet.
Going back to the data, Williams student body has 30% varsity athletes (similar to the other schools on the OPs list) but takes 26% ed. So clearly on the higher end for an ed boost among these schools.
Anonymous
06/27/2025 03:07
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.
There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown
Wes is a target for Brown applicants.
Yes, at our private the same people are applying to and getting into/deciding between Brown and Wesleyan.
What is similar about the two? I really don't associate Brown with anything that Wesleyan values.
It’s a *very* common overlap. My kid was one of the kids who liked and applied to both.
Open curriculum, high-achieving but not competitive, strong artsy/progressive vibe.
Same at our private.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 23:37
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Either Bowdoin or Williams would be my suggestion for ED1.
Wesleyan sounds like a strong ED2 possibility.
Also, where do you live? How far are flights/logistics etc?
From my experience, location and travel time matter more than I thought! A shortish direct flight or doable car ride trip to college from home really is worth its weight in gold. Long one is a bigger inconvenience than we thought
Bowdoin has 4 faculty in philosophy. That is a dismal amount, even for a liberal arts college.
As an opinion, a department with six or seven faculty suffices to cover the sub-areas of philosophy important to undergraduate study.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 22:01
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.
There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown
Wes is a target for Brown applicants.
Yes, at our private the same people are applying to and getting into/deciding between Brown and Wesleyan.
What is similar about the two? I really don't associate Brown with anything that Wesleyan values.
It’s a *very* common overlap. My kid was one of the kids who liked and applied to both.
Open curriculum, high-achieving but not competitive, strong artsy/progressive vibe.
Other than open curriculum, you’re describing really any lac. Even then Amherst is a better option. Also brown has just as much recruiting as other low ivies, so “progressive” is stretching it.
I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make. The original question was about Wes/Brown overlap. It exists. You might think it shouldn’t, but it does.
DP. Wes and Brown overlap. Amherst and Pomona also popular with these applicants.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 21:48
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.
There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown
Wes is a target for Brown applicants.
Yes, at our private the same people are applying to and getting into/deciding between Brown and Wesleyan.
What is similar about the two? I really don't associate Brown with anything that Wesleyan values.
It’s a *very* common overlap. My kid was one of the kids who liked and applied to both.
Open curriculum, high-achieving but not competitive, strong artsy/progressive vibe.
Other than open curriculum, you’re describing really any lac. Even then Amherst is a better option. Also brown has just as much recruiting as other low ivies, so “progressive” is stretching it.
I don’t even know what point you’re trying to make. The original question was about Wes/Brown overlap. It exists. You might think it shouldn’t, but it does.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 20:45
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:williams, bowdoin, pomona do not provide any ED advantage. If WASP is your dream schools, just RD.
CMC, yes. Real ED advantage. If you are set on CMC, go ahead. Otherwise, no ED or find another ED school.
+1
Why do you say no advantage?
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:47
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.
There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown
Wes is a target for Brown applicants.
Yes, at our private the same people are applying to and getting into/deciding between Brown and Wesleyan.
What is similar about the two? I really don't associate Brown with anything that Wesleyan values.
It’s a *very* common overlap. My kid was one of the kids who liked and applied to both.
Open curriculum, high-achieving but not competitive, strong artsy/progressive vibe.
Other than open curriculum, you’re describing really any lac. Even then Amherst is a better option. Also brown has just as much recruiting as other low ivies, so “progressive” is stretching it.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:40
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The weird trolls trying to force op’s kid into a university confuse me as to why they go on these threads.
OP, I’d seriously look at CMC.
NP to this thread. Your anger is irrational and unwarranted as posters are trying to present options to a curious parent.
I, too, would encourage OP's student to consider some National Universities due to the tiny number of students studying philosophy at each of the listed LACs. Plus, a graduate dept. in philosophy should give OP's son more options and better access & understanding of career paths because of the vastly greater number of philosophy students at elite National Universities.
I visiting the Chicago area, it would be easy for OP's student to visit both U Chicago & Northwestern University and make an appointment with the head of each school's philosophy dept. For one intending to apply ED, there are significant advantages to applying ED at either of U Chicago or Northwestern University. LAC ED1 tends to be dominated by recruited athletes at most of the top rated LACs.
Curious as to why Swarthmore College has not been mentioned in this thread (maybe I missed it if it has been).
OP: Also consider the more practical major of P,P,&E (Politics, Philosophy, & Economics) which is offered at several elite colleges & universities.
OP: Here is a list that ranks (2024) undergraduate philosophy programs in a combined ranking of both National Universities and LACs (highest ranked LAC is Wesleyan University at #34):
https://philosophy-colleges.com
Not a bad idea to consider Chicago and Northwestern. Both are great schools and the ED boost for unhooked kids is probably bigger than at the LACs being considered.
Except the kid wants a LAC, not just the most prestigious school he can get into. Good lord.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:39
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.
There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown
Wes is a target for Brown applicants.
Yes, at our private the same people are applying to and getting into/deciding between Brown and Wesleyan.
What is similar about the two? I really don't associate Brown with anything that Wesleyan values.
It’s a *very* common overlap. My kid was one of the kids who liked and applied to both.
Open curriculum, high-achieving but not competitive, strong artsy/progressive vibe.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:24
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Either Bowdoin or Williams would be my suggestion for ED1.
Wesleyan sounds like a strong ED2 possibility.
Also, where do you live? How far are flights/logistics etc?
From my experience, location and travel time matter more than I thought! A shortish direct flight or doable car ride trip to college from home really is worth its weight in gold. Long one is a bigger inconvenience than we thought
Bowdoin has 4 faculty in philosophy. That is a dismal amount, even for a liberal arts college.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:12
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know 2 unhooked kids who got into Amherst ED this year. But all these LACs are very small and overrepresented with athletes in ED1. I'd definitely take a look at Brown.
There’s almost 0 overlap with these schools and brown
Wes is a target for Brown applicants.
Yes, at our private the same people are applying to and getting into/deciding between Brown and Wesleyan.
Wesleyan has a 30% yield rate. No-one is struggling to chose between it and Brown, which is an Ivy League college with much better resources, faculty, and quality of students.
I didn't say they "struggled" to decide, but they are often the top 2 decisions being narrowed down on and considered in our private school community. In some cases kids at our kids' school picked Wes because Wes is the parents' legacy school and the kids have grown up visiting and wanting to go there.
BS
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:11
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Either Bowdoin or Williams would be my suggestion for ED1.
Wesleyan sounds like a strong ED2 possibility.
Also, where do you live? How far are flights/logistics etc?
From my experience, location and travel time matter more than I thought! A shortish direct flight or doable car ride trip to college from home really is worth its weight in gold. Long one is a bigger inconvenience than we thought
We've had no issues and DD goes to Stanford. Sounds like you need to work on planning or have some extreme issue that could've been remedied before choosing an out of state college.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:10
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Either Bowdoin or Williams would be my suggestion for ED1.
Wesleyan sounds like a strong ED2 possibility.
Also, where do you live? How far are flights/logistics etc?
From my experience, location and travel time matter more than I thought! A shortish direct flight or doable car ride trip to college from home really is worth its weight in gold. Long one is a bigger inconvenience than we thought
Neither of those schools have great ED boosts. Remember Williams has a massive athlete population. Unless you go to a top private school that they have been taking students from for the past 5 years, I would not take that bet.
Anonymous
06/26/2025 19:07
Subject: which of these schools for ed1?
Anonymous wrote:Either Bowdoin or Williams would be my suggestion for ED1.
Wesleyan sounds like a strong ED2 possibility.
Also, where do you live? How far are flights/logistics etc?
From my experience, location and travel time matter more than I thought! A shortish direct flight or doable car ride trip to college from home really is worth its weight in gold. Long one is a bigger inconvenience than we thought
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