Anonymous wrote:This is OP - I am saying this because I have seen this at IAD. A person who can walk from the parking lot to check-in counter, stand in line to get checked in and for their boarding pass, then turn around and request a wheelchair to get to the gate? When another person who might be really in need of one have to wait? I am not saying stop the service, but if you really aren't in need of a wheelchair then pay a fee to use it. I believe the people who push the wheelchairs are volunteers? I might be wrong.

I can stand and walk for about 10 minutes without any issues. Then my knees lock. That’s why i always ask for a wheelchair at IAD. However seeing me you would think there’s nothing wrong with me.

Should’ve said that being pushed in a wheelchair *can* feel very vulnerable.^^

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP - I am saying this because I have seen this at IAD. A person who can walk from the parking lot to check-in counter, stand in line to get checked in and for their boarding pass, then turn around and request a wheelchair to get to the gate? When another person who might be really in need of one have to wait? I am not saying stop the service, but if you really aren't in need of a wheelchair then pay a fee to use it. I believe the people who push the wheelchairs are volunteers? I might be wrong.

I am amazed that you can’t think of any disabilities that would make a person able to do some walking, but not a lot of walking.

This is me OP. I can walk some, but I can't walk all the way through the airport to the gate without stopping several times to rest.

This thread is revolting. Many people with disabilities would give anything to be able to walk to their gate. Being pushed in a wheelchair feels very vulnerable, especially when someone is accustomed to “hiding” their disability due to perceived stigma (as with MS, and other neurological diseases that aren’t always apparent to others). There are many “invisible” disabilities and medical conditions that cause mobility impairment.

Begrudging people this accommodation is a disgrace. I recognize that OP is only referring to people who are faking it, but how could she possibly know? She’s basically saying that she scrutinizes people who are getting the wheelchair, side/eying them and wondering if they are deserving. It would be a very small percentage of the population who would actually be attempting to game the system.

I cannot imagine being small-minded enough to spend even a moment thinking about this. But it indicates that OP probably carries around a lot of petty grievances that diminish her well-being, so I should probably be sympathetic. But I’m not.

Disability is not uncommon, and any one of us could need that wheelchair at any time. I would focus your energy elsewhere, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

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And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

I think we can't have nice things because people lack compassion.

No. It’s too much compassion.

The nice thing would be a society where people actually care enough about access for people with disabilities to where some minor financial or logistical inefficiency isn't being whined about, a society where everyone has value and people aren't simply "me, me, me" all the time.

In such a society, people wouldn’t fake a disability to get expedited access.
I do think it’s likely a real minority because the current system is really crappy and you often have to wait very long times for a chair…..so I really don’t think many people are using it just for convenience. My mom has interstitial lung disease and can walk short distances but would not be able to walk through an airport.

People were doing this with Southwest to board early and pick a set. You’d get to the gate and there would be a line of 35 people in wheelchairs and maybe two of them would use one to get off.

I've never seen this and I fly SW all the time.

DP. Very common on routes from northern states to FLL, especially in the winter. All the patients are age 70+. “Miracle flights” they are called.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

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And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

Talk about ableism!!!!

The people needing assistance at the airport are not affecting you that much, if at all.

Tell me, what would you have me do? I can walk and stand to a certain point. Not enough to get through the rigamarole at the airport. I use handicapped assist with a wheelchair. IF I am on my own, I cannot propel that wheelchair myself. Assistance is REQUIRED. Looking at me, other than if you see my leg braces, you would not know why I'm in that chair.

Charging for that assistance is the same as denying it. "You can have some of the help, but you should pay for the rest so the lucky able bodied people don't get the vapors."

I really, really hope people like you end up stuck sitting in a wheelchair, with people giving you the side eye and complaining when you need help. And I hope it's something you've done to yourself. Have the day you deserve.

Has your leg injury somehow migrated to your brain to diminish your reading comprehension ability? OP is commenting on people in wheelchairs who are not truly handicapped. Not you.

Nope, OP was commenting on people she thinks are not truly handicapped. HUGE difference.

Exactly. She doesn't get to define handicapped, either.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

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And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

Talk about ableism!!!!

The people needing assistance at the airport are not affecting you that much, if at all.

Tell me, what would you have me do? I can walk and stand to a certain point. Not enough to get through the rigamarole at the airport. I use handicapped assist with a wheelchair. IF I am on my own, I cannot propel that wheelchair myself. Assistance is REQUIRED. Looking at me, other than if you see my leg braces, you would not know why I'm in that chair.

Charging for that assistance is the same as denying it. "You can have some of the help, but you should pay for the rest so the lucky able bodied people don't get the vapors."

I really, really hope people like you end up stuck sitting in a wheelchair, with people giving you the side eye and complaining when you need help. And I hope it's something you've done to yourself. Have the day you deserve.

Has your leg injury somehow migrated to your brain to diminish your reading comprehension ability? OP is commenting on people in wheelchairs who are not truly handicapped. Not you.

OP doesn't know if they are handicapped or not. She doesn't have the first clue about accessibility, either.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

I think we can't have nice things because people lack compassion.

No. It’s too much compassion.

The nice thing would be a society where people actually care enough about access for people with disabilities to where some minor financial or logistical inefficiency isn't being whined about, a society where everyone has value and people aren't simply "me, me, me" all the time.

In such a society, people wouldn’t fake a disability to get expedited access.
I do think it’s likely a real minority because the current system is really crappy and you often have to wait very long times for a chair…..so I really don’t think many people are using it just for convenience. My mom has interstitial lung disease and can walk short distances but would not be able to walk through an airport.

People were doing this with Southwest to board early and pick a set. You’d get to the gate and there would be a line of 35 people in wheelchairs and maybe two of them would use one to get off.

I've never seen this and I fly SW all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

I think we can't have nice things because people lack compassion.

No. It’s too much compassion.

The nice thing would be a society where people actually care enough about access for people with disabilities to where some minor financial or logistical inefficiency isn't being whined about, a society where everyone has value and people aren't simply "me, me, me" all the time.

In such a society, people wouldn’t fake a disability to get expedited access.
I do think it’s likely a real minority because the current system is really crappy and you often have to wait very long times for a chair…..so I really don’t think many people are using it just for convenience. My mom has interstitial lung disease and can walk short distances but would not be able to walk through an airport.

People were doing this with Southwest to board early and pick a set. You’d get to the gate and there would be a line of 35 people in wheelchairs and maybe two of them would use one to get off.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

I think we can't have nice things because people lack compassion.

No. It’s too much compassion.

The nice thing would be a society where people actually care enough about access for people with disabilities to where some minor financial or logistical inefficiency isn't being whined about, a society where everyone has value and people aren't simply "me, me, me" all the time.

In such a society, people wouldn’t fake a disability to get expedited access.
I do think it’s likely a real minority because the current system is really crappy and you often have to wait very long times for a chair…..so I really don’t think many people are using it just for convenience. My mom has interstitial lung disease and can walk short distances but would not be able to walk through an airport.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

I think we can't have nice things because people lack compassion.

No. It’s too much compassion.

The nice thing would be a society where people actually care enough about access for people with disabilities to where some minor financial or logistical inefficiency isn't being whined about, a society where everyone has value and people aren't simply "me, me, me" all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

Talk about ableism!!!!

The people needing assistance at the airport are not affecting you that much, if at all.

Tell me, what would you have me do? I can walk and stand to a certain point. Not enough to get through the rigamarole at the airport. I use handicapped assist with a wheelchair. IF I am on my own, I cannot propel that wheelchair myself. Assistance is REQUIRED. Looking at me, other than if you see my leg braces, you would not know why I'm in that chair.

Charging for that assistance is the same as denying it. "You can have some of the help, but you should pay for the rest so the lucky able bodied people don't get the vapors."

I really, really hope people like you end up stuck sitting in a wheelchair, with people giving you the side eye and complaining when you need help. And I hope it's something you've done to yourself. Have the day you deserve.

Has your leg injury somehow migrated to your brain to diminish your reading comprehension ability? OP is commenting on people in wheelchairs who are not truly handicapped. Not you.

The whole point is that if OP say this person and their leg braces weren’t visible, OP would think they were not handicapped because they walked. You and OP don’t understand how disability works, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

Talk about ableism!!!!

The people needing assistance at the airport are not affecting you that much, if at all.

Tell me, what would you have me do? I can walk and stand to a certain point. Not enough to get through the rigamarole at the airport. I use handicapped assist with a wheelchair. IF I am on my own, I cannot propel that wheelchair myself. Assistance is REQUIRED. Looking at me, other than if you see my leg braces, you would not know why I'm in that chair.

Charging for that assistance is the same as denying it. "You can have some of the help, but you should pay for the rest so the lucky able bodied people don't get the vapors."

I really, really hope people like you end up stuck sitting in a wheelchair, with people giving you the side eye and complaining when you need help. And I hope it's something you've done to yourself. Have the day you deserve.

Has your leg injury somehow migrated to your brain to diminish your reading comprehension ability? OP is commenting on people in wheelchairs who are not truly handicapped. Not you.

Nope, OP was commenting on people she thinks are not truly handicapped. HUGE difference.

Anonymous wrote:This is OP - I am saying this because I have seen this at IAD. A person who can walk from the parking lot to check-in counter, stand in line to get checked in and for their boarding pass, then turn around and request a wheelchair to get to the gate? When another person who might be really in need of one have to wait? I am not saying stop the service, but if you really aren't in need of a wheelchair then pay a fee to use it. I believe the people who push the wheelchairs are volunteers? I might be wrong.

I am amazed that you can’t think of any disabilities that would make a person able to do some walking, but not a lot of walking.

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Anonymous wrote:I have seen many able bodied older adults requesting and using wheelchairs to get gates from check-in. Mostly they seem to use this as a way to get through security and also not having to read or follow directions. I think the airports and airlines should start charging a fee to use this unless they are really in need due to actual physical need. What do you guys think?

Regardless of whether it’s a genuine physical need or abusing the system, I don’t really understand why there isn’t an automatic cost for requiring these additional services. How is it any different from having to pay extra for a minor traveling solo or a larger person having to pay more for an extra seat?

Because it is illegal under the ADA. You can't pass on the costs of accessibility to disabled people. Come on now.

The accessibility clause requires that the airplanes/airports be able reasonably accommodate people requiring access via wheelchairs, etc but not that they pay for the services required for someone to push said wheelchair.

+1
And the same way general populations are tired of subsidizing unhealthy lifestyles in insurance pools and hospital costs, it's going to catch up with us. Everything is always extremes until something snaps. This is why we can't have nice things.

There are people who suck down sodas, eat garbage, don't excercise and end up wheelchair bound and everyone else pays for them.
(I know that's not the story, but that's how simplified it is to some)

Talk about ableism!!!!

The people needing assistance at the airport are not affecting you that much, if at all.

Tell me, what would you have me do? I can walk and stand to a certain point. Not enough to get through the rigamarole at the airport. I use handicapped assist with a wheelchair. IF I am on my own, I cannot propel that wheelchair myself. Assistance is REQUIRED. Looking at me, other than if you see my leg braces, you would not know why I'm in that chair.

Charging for that assistance is the same as denying it. "You can have some of the help, but you should pay for the rest so the lucky able bodied people don't get the vapors."

I really, really hope people like you end up stuck sitting in a wheelchair, with people giving you the side eye and complaining when you need help. And I hope it's something you've done to yourself. Have the day you deserve.

Has your leg injury somehow migrated to your brain to diminish your reading comprehension ability? OP is commenting on people in wheelchairs who are not truly handicapped. Not you.