Anonymous
06/15/2025 13:47
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
UNC Wilmington
Anonymous
06/15/2025 13:46
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
SUNY Geneseo
SUNY Binghamton
College of Charleston
UVM
SUNY Binghamton
College of Charleston
UVM
Anonymous
06/15/2025 13:28
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Yeah, I wouldn’t classify anything over 20,000 as “medium.” JMU is large.
Anonymous
06/15/2025 13:22
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
Rankings don’t make schools peers. JMU is nothing like W&M. Plus neither VT nor JMU is mid-sized (3,000-15,000) so irrelevant to this discussion.
3000 students is mid-sized? That is high school size. JMU is a mid-sized public. Large schools have twice the number of students as JMU.
Different poster. Carnegie classifies four-year schools into four groups:
Very small: fewer than 1,000 full-time undergraduates
Small: 1,000 – 3,000
Medium: 3,000 – 10,000
Large: 10,000+
JMU clocks in at over 21,000 students — more than twice the threshold of Carnegie's "Large" classification.
Anonymous
06/15/2025 09:47
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
Rankings don’t make schools peers. JMU is nothing like W&M. Plus neither VT nor JMU is mid-sized (3,000-15,000) so irrelevant to this discussion.
3000 students is mid-sized? That is high school size. JMU is a mid-sized public. Large schools have twice the number of students as JMU.
Anonymous
06/15/2025 04:55
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High Point fits the bill
Oh Dear Lord, no! Anyone considering W&M should not be looking at HPU.
Why not? Since WM fell in USNWR it’s hard to assess new peers. Maybe Elon.
W&M is an established national university with a reputable academic record. HPU is a questionable regional university focused on “life skills,” and currently under an accreditation warning.
VT is ranked better now in case you weren’t aware. Maybe JMU is WM’s peer in-state.
I stand by by comment that a student considering W&M shouldn’t be looking at HPU.
HPU is a joke and even if I had Michael Bloomberg's money I wouldn't pay for it
Anonymous
05/28/2025 12:40
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Miami of Ohio might be the public that is most similar to W&M.
No disrespect, but I strongly disagree with this. Miami University has an acceptance rate of over 82 percent, while William and Mary is 33.5 percent.
My DC toured both schools, they are nothing alike. They both have pretty buildings.
OP- I would try looking into Vermont. They have a price calculator that was very accurate for merit aid. My DC got slightly more than we expected. DC also toured, and it came in second place in her heart after W&M. Good luck to you!
Anonymous
05/28/2025 10:27
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Miami of Ohio might be the public that is most similar to W&M.
Anonymous
05/28/2025 00:46
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
mAnonymous wrote:Is your question, which privates give merit to most/all applicants?
Or are you looking to apply a notch down to get some merit? With William and Mary stats, you can get aid at a lot of schools that are slightly less competitive.
How about Miami of Ohio and Villanova? Miami will give you a huge aid package.
Unless you are Hispanic or Armenian almost no chance you get any merit at Villanova. They only give a few merit awards.
Anonymous
05/26/2025 17:43
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:(Fiske poster again)
For some non-Fiske data, I find section C9 of the CDS to be really useful, and, especially when looking for a school for an academics-oriented student, the 75th percentile SAT number. (Standard caveat around how the data provided should be treated with some skepticism, so don’t treat this as gospel, etc. etc.)
W&M’s 75th percentile is 1530. Here are the 12 schools in that same mid-size range with a 75th percentile between between 1520 and 1540, alphabetically:
Barnard
Carleton
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Hamilton
Middlebury
Notre Dame
Tufts
Vassar
W&M
Wellesley
Happy to pull other data as useful, OP.
Thanks so much for this. Where does Wake Forest fall in comparison?
Sure thing. Wake Forest is really solid. Fiske has them as 4 stars academically, and their CDS shows 5,471 undergrads, and an SAT range (25th%–75th%) of 1410–1500.
Thanks!
Anonymous
05/26/2025 15:48
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:(Fiske poster again)
For some non-Fiske data, I find section C9 of the CDS to be really useful, and, especially when looking for a school for an academics-oriented student, the 75th percentile SAT number. (Standard caveat around how the data provided should be treated with some skepticism, so don’t treat this as gospel, etc. etc.)
W&M’s 75th percentile is 1530. Here are the 12 schools in that same mid-size range with a 75th percentile between between 1520 and 1540, alphabetically:
Barnard
Carleton
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Hamilton
Middlebury
Notre Dame
Tufts
Vassar
W&M
Wellesley
Happy to pull other data as useful, OP.
Thanks so much for this. Where does Wake Forest fall in comparison?
Sure thing. Wake Forest is really solid. Fiske has them as 4 stars academically, and their CDS shows 5,471 undergrads, and an SAT range (25th%–75th%) of 1410–1500.
Anonymous
05/26/2025 15:36
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Anonymous wrote:(Fiske poster again)
For some non-Fiske data, I find section C9 of the CDS to be really useful, and, especially when looking for a school for an academics-oriented student, the 75th percentile SAT number. (Standard caveat around how the data provided should be treated with some skepticism, so don’t treat this as gospel, etc. etc.)
W&M’s 75th percentile is 1530. Here are the 12 schools in that same mid-size range with a 75th percentile between between 1520 and 1540, alphabetically:
Barnard
Carleton
Case Western
Emory
Georgetown
Hamilton
Middlebury
Notre Dame
Tufts
Vassar
W&M
Wellesley
Happy to pull other data as useful, OP.
Thanks so much for this. Where does Wake Forest fall in comparison?
Anonymous
05/26/2025 13:26
Subject: Re:Mid-Sized Public Universities
Actually, aiming for an honors program at a bigger school isn’t a bad idea. A friend’s kid did a small honors program at Penn State, an enormous state school. He said it felt like a much smaller school within a school.
Anonymous
05/26/2025 13:04
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
If you have the SATs and apply EA, Tulane will give decent merit. Mid-size of course. And you'll have to have a certain fortitude about visiting this forum . . .
Anonymous
05/26/2025 12:57
Subject: Mid-Sized Public Universities
Rochester merit is not as good as other similar schools like Case. Maxes out around 15-20k. Expensive school. But very good!