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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

The fact that America has never bothered to fix the wrongs done to black Americans is exactly why we are here. This country is just doing to other people what it has always done to Black people (and yes Natives). White American refusal to see how these things are related are exactly why we are here.

That's your perspective. Many would say that giving blacks preference for jobs, college admissions, government grants and contracts, and housing programs, over the course of many decades, was fixing the wrongs, and many blacks have succeeded because of all of those opportunities. But yes, we understand that the "fix" you now want for those that didn't take advantage of all of those opportunities is big, fat reparations checks.

DP: Honestly, I’d be happier with genuine community investment (We got “separate “ but never “equal “) and genuine acknowledgment of the history of the US — starting with elementary school texts. I don’t see either of those things happening, particularly with the current predilection for white washing history and banning access to books.

You have no idea about the teaching of U.S. history in this country - that is apparent. It is nonstop injustice starting with the "Three Worlds Meet" unit until the Contemporary era, with focuses on expanding the definition of "We the People" and expanding civil rights.

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Anonymous wrote:He was right to do so. Maryland is in a bad financial place. The credit rating was just downgraded by Moody's. They can't afford reparations right now, and that's even before you get into all the many, many practical problems with reparations at the state level. Spending a few million on a consultant to study reparations would be a waste.

The study was estimated to have cost $1-2 million (just to have a study). If Maryland is in such dire straights financially it seems like an illogical ask of tax payers to fund this while raising state taxes and drastically cutting other funding in seeking to balance the state budget. If this had been when the state was running at a surplus, then it probably would have been signed.

We need that money we stole from poor Black people to fund our lifestyle.

I think poor black people in Maryland have more than received recompense for their ancestors.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Just to follow up, let's not forget that he'd be following in good footsteps when he does this:


https://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/22/obama.presidency/

Sen. Barack Obama said Sunday that he may run for president in 2008, despite previous assertions that he would complete his current six-year senatorial term, which ends in 2011.

"I would say I am still at the point where I have not made a decision to pursue higher office, but it is true that I have thought about it over the last several months," the 45-year-old Democratic senator from Illinois told NBC's "Meet the Press."

In January, Obama told NBC that he would not run for president or vice president in 2008.

Wes Moore is no Barack Obama, in any way.

I think Wed Moore has the potential to be better than Obama.

He served in the military.

He is likely being mentored by Obama quietly behind the scenes.

Imho he does a better job navigating liberal issues.

And he doesn’t come across as arrogant. He has the smart-yet-likeable personality coupled with an actual record of hard work.

Heck, even conservatives like him.

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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

The fact that America has never bothered to fix the wrongs done to black Americans is exactly why we are here. This country is just doing to other people what it has always done to Black people (and yes Natives). White American refusal to see how these things are related are exactly why we are here.

That's your perspective. Many would say that giving blacks preference for jobs, college admissions, government grants and contracts, and housing programs, over the course of many decades, was fixing the wrongs, and many blacks have succeeded because of all of those opportunities. But yes, we understand that the "fix" you now want for those that didn't take advantage of all of those opportunities is big, fat reparations checks.

50 years - at most - of preferences for black Americans does not undo the legacy of slavery + Jim Crow, which goes back hundreds of years.

But anyway, what are these "preferences" that the poster is talking about that cancel out any discussion of reparations? Also, reparations are not part of a zero-sum game, reparations are not taking anything from anyone.

Random question. How will recent African immigrants feel about African Americans getting reparations and they don't? African immigrants also face systemic racism in the US, but are not descendants of the enslaved.

It’s not just facing systemic racism today. It’s about hundreds of years of the government enacting and maintaining (often through violence) policies that stripped their ancestors’ of the opportunities to build wealth while at the same time enacting and maintaining policies intended to lift up white folks. It was the biggest DEI scheme in history and it lasted for hundreds of years.

I'm distinguishing between recent African immigrants who bring their own wealth vs. African Americans, descended from slavery, who have been denied wealth systematically. There is a difference, and how do you approach it with reparations?

Moore is the Jeb! of the Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely in the pipeline for 2028 or 2032.

But will Moore win reelection as governor?

Yes, because Republicans have no candidates.

Running COX last year tells you that.

There is a strong possibility Hogan will run again anyone who votes for that crap again is an idiot. I voted for him twice and I am so sorry I did.

He made over $2.5 million from taxpayers by funneling jobs to his real estate holdings. He refused to show his finances etc typical Republican shit. He never brought business to MD, and he just punted expenses down the line.

Republicans aim to transform Maryland into a red state, but people need to realize that when Republicans govern, those states often struggle. Look at Oklahoma and Alabama; they face more challenges than their blue counterparts. What have senators like McConnell done for Kentucky or Graham for South Carolina? And then there's Governor Huckabee—she seems to support some troubling issues like child abuse, child labor, and child marriage. Missouri is also moving towards legalizing child marriage. Is this the direction we want to go?

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Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely trying to appeal to the conservative side in preparation for his future presidential campaign

I wouldn’t even that far. Reparations is such a political loser that it just demonstrates that the man has a pulse. I commend him for being alive and breathing in 2025.

+1. Many black people find the idea of reparations to be repulsive and offensive. It's a fringe idea. Pretty much no reasonably intelligent person thinks it's a good idea.

Exactly.

Anonymous wrote:He’s definitely in the pipeline for 2028 or 2032.

But will Moore win reelection as governor?

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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

The fact that America has never bothered to fix the wrongs done to black Americans is exactly why we are here. This country is just doing to other people what it has always done to Black people (and yes Natives). White American refusal to see how these things are related are exactly why we are here.

That's your perspective. Many would say that giving blacks preference for jobs, college admissions, government grants and contracts, and housing programs, over the course of many decades, was fixing the wrongs, and many blacks have succeeded because of all of those opportunities. But yes, we understand that the "fix" you now want for those that didn't take advantage of all of those opportunities is big, fat reparations checks.

50 years - at most - of preferences for black Americans does not undo the legacy of slavery + Jim Crow, which goes back hundreds of years.

But anyway, what are these "preferences" that the poster is talking about that cancel out any discussion of reparations? Also, reparations are not part of a zero-sum game, reparations are not taking anything from anyone.

Random question. How will recent African immigrants feel about African Americans getting reparations and they don't? African immigrants also face systemic racism in the US, but are not descendants of the enslaved.

It’s not just facing systemic racism today. It’s about hundreds of years of the government enacting and maintaining (often through violence) policies that stripped their ancestors’ of the opportunities to build wealth while at the same time enacting and maintaining policies intended to lift up white folks. It was the biggest DEI scheme in history and it lasted for hundreds of years.

Give it up, people. The bill has been vetoed -- in the state with 4th highest percent of Black Americans (behind MS, LA and GA), that is one of the most liberal in the country, and that has a Black Governor. If you didn't previously believe reparations were a totally dead idea, you should believe it now.

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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

The fact that America has never bothered to fix the wrongs done to black Americans is exactly why we are here. This country is just doing to other people what it has always done to Black people (and yes Natives). White American refusal to see how these things are related are exactly why we are here.

That's your perspective. Many would say that giving blacks preference for jobs, college admissions, government grants and contracts, and housing programs, over the course of many decades, was fixing the wrongs, and many blacks have succeeded because of all of those opportunities. But yes, we understand that the "fix" you now want for those that didn't take advantage of all of those opportunities is big, fat reparations checks.

50 years - at most - of preferences for black Americans does not undo the legacy of slavery + Jim Crow, which goes back hundreds of years.

But anyway, what are these "preferences" that the poster is talking about that cancel out any discussion of reparations? Also, reparations are not part of a zero-sum game, reparations are not taking anything from anyone.

Why do you think this?

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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

The fact that America has never bothered to fix the wrongs done to black Americans is exactly why we are here. This country is just doing to other people what it has always done to Black people (and yes Natives). White American refusal to see how these things are related are exactly why we are here.

That's your perspective. Many would say that giving blacks preference for jobs, college admissions, government grants and contracts, and housing programs, over the course of many decades, was fixing the wrongs, and many blacks have succeeded because of all of those opportunities. But yes, we understand that the "fix" you now want for those that didn't take advantage of all of those opportunities is big, fat reparations checks.

50 years - at most - of preferences for black Americans does not undo the legacy of slavery + Jim Crow, which goes back hundreds of years.

But anyway, what are these "preferences" that the poster is talking about that cancel out any discussion of reparations? Also, reparations are not part of a zero-sum game, reparations are not taking anything from anyone.

Random question. How will recent African immigrants feel about African Americans getting reparations and they don't? African immigrants also face systemic racism in the US, but are not descendants of the enslaved.

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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

The fact that America has never bothered to fix the wrongs done to black Americans is exactly why we are here. This country is just doing to other people what it has always done to Black people (and yes Natives). White American refusal to see how these things are related are exactly why we are here.

That's your perspective. Many would say that giving blacks preference for jobs, college admissions, government grants and contracts, and housing programs, over the course of many decades, was fixing the wrongs, and many blacks have succeeded because of all of those opportunities. But yes, we understand that the "fix" you now want for those that didn't take advantage of all of those opportunities is big, fat reparations checks.

50 years - at most - of preferences for black Americans does not undo the legacy of slavery + Jim Crow, which goes back hundreds of years.

But anyway, what are these "preferences" that the poster is talking about that cancel out any discussion of reparations? Also, reparations are not part of a zero-sum game, reparations are not taking anything from anyone.

He’s definitely in the pipeline for 2028 or 2032.

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Anonymous wrote:Given today’s political climate, I think it’s hilarious that we are even having this discussion. We are lucky our democracy stays intact. Read.the.room. We are so far from reparations.

Calling reparations “hilarious” just shows what your personal prefrences are, that's all, just like any name-calling session. Now, if you honestly just don’t care about reparations and/or or think African Americans should just “get over” slavery, that’s your right, but your personal boredom on the matter doesn’t the U.S. can not plan to do what is right, whether you care our not. "Democracy", as you are so so concerned about, stays healthy when we dig into unfinished business, not when we act like it’s too messy. Think about it, the Civil Rights movement happened in the 60s, a rough time for our country, we can do big things in the current rough time for our country.

What's strange is that Democrats are desperate for you to forget waht might have been happening in the last four years and any investigations into that recent history are "pointless." Yet, we have something from 180 years ago that needs a closer look.

The fact Dems don’t push back on big electronic corporation use of slavery is telling.

And the fact they don’t make demands that Great Britain, Portugal, France, Spain, Denmark etc etc, the countries that brought slaves and slavery here is also telling. The US is responsible for its part from its declaration to the passing of the 13th amendment.

This is just a dangling carrot to get people’s votes.

The reality is that reparations to black Americans are not going to happen unless you do it for all descendants of slaves and pay back the native tribes.

Slavery still exists today. Every time we eat a chocolate bar we are financially supporting slavery. The US is sends foreign aid to Saudi Arabia, which has something like 700,000 modern day slaves.

Yet, nobody seems to care at all about it.

The Chinese enslaves the largest number of people by a wide margin.