Anonymous wrote:Back in the 80’s in FCPS, a school would maybe have 4-5 kids in the whole school do gt programs. There was one elementary school for them. Now a school can have half the population in the program. Why they changed the name of the program. It used to be called gifted and talented. These kids now in aap can be neither gifted or talented , just well coached to get in the program.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of problems with this AAP segregation going on at FCPS. Very sad. All this commotion and not much coming out of it but bad reviews, kids who are not fully advanced, parents who were snookered into thinking it was a gifted program, kids feeling put down by another class indirectly and directly, and parents paying for supplementary materials. They need to revamp FCPS. Reid, you can do better than that!
Ok but what is the solution?
I agree that people should not think of this as a gifted program. It's not. And I say this as a parent of a child who got in with a WISC above 140. Child is not a genius. Child is bright.
I also agree that there's a lot of nonsense that results, but that's because parents are crazy and whether there's AAP or not that's not going to change.
There are two solutions.
1) Tracking students so that kids end up in a class with peers. The kids in the class(es) that are behind grade level should be in a class with 2 Teachers who can work with the kids to help them get to grade level. Kids who are on the cusp should be moved up a level, so that kid who is close to being on grade level should be in the grade level class because it does motivate kids to work harder when they want to be on the level of the kids they are with. That is not going to work well when you are 2 grade levels behind and there are kids a full grade level up in your class, that makes you feel discouraged. But being in a position that you can get to the same level as the kids in your class with a bit more work can be helpful.
2) Have break out classes for Advanced Math, Advanced LA, Advanced Science, and Advanced Social Studies. If the grades are all on a similar time schedule, then you can have the kids in Advanced Math move to the Advanced Math class and the kids with regular level math shift to that class and the kids who need math support shift to that class. Some kids will end up in all of the advanced classes, some kids will end up in a few, and some kids will not end up in any. But making space for kids to be strong in specific areas means that you avoid the "smart class" vs everyone else mentality.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of problems with this AAP segregation going on at FCPS. Very sad. All this commotion and not much coming out of it but bad reviews, kids who are not fully advanced, parents who were snookered into thinking it was a gifted program, kids feeling put down by another class indirectly and directly, and parents paying for supplementary materials. They need to revamp FCPS. Reid, you can do better than that!
Ok but what is the solution?
I agree that people should not think of this as a gifted program. It's not. And I say this as a parent of a child who got in with a WISC above 140. Child is not a genius. Child is bright.
I also agree that there's a lot of nonsense that results, but that's because parents are crazy and whether there's AAP or not that's not going to change.
Anonymous wrote:Lots of problems with this AAP segregation going on at FCPS. Very sad. All this commotion and not much coming out of it but bad reviews, kids who are not fully advanced, parents who were snookered into thinking it was a gifted program, kids feeling put down by another class indirectly and directly, and parents paying for supplementary materials. They need to revamp FCPS. Reid, you can do better than that!
Anonymous wrote:Our teacher spent 25 minutes telling us how our daughter is very bright but she’s not gifted. She gave examples that I don’t think were a proper interpretation of gifted vs just a bright child. It was pretty upsetting. We clearly have a different impression vs the classroom teacher and yes maybe biased but we definitely know our DD better than the teacher. Nnat 99% cogat I believe was 134. Iready reading 99% iready math 89%. In pool but did not get it but I did appeal.
I thought part of AAP was the potential for high achievement. I’m disappointed in the teachers impression. Are all kids truly geniuses?
Anonymous wrote:I volunteer in the classroom/at school a lot. We are at a center school on the eastern side of the county. Our pyramid is not high SES (compared to the western part of the county), but the neighborhood that houses the center school is one of the more well-off neighborhoods in the pyramid (again—this is comparatively).
The difference between the Gen Ed kids and the AAP kids at our school is night and day. High ESL, behavioral issues, and a lot of blank stares. Maybe the Gen Ed curriculum is fine, but if it’s being presented in a classroom of kids who aren’t equipped to learn, no one is going to learn it.
At our school, the “average/bright” neighborhood kids need access to the AAP classroom to escape what’s happening in Gen Ed. Those kids who are denied full time AAP end up going to the local Catholic school, which makes the difference between AAP and Gen Ed even more stark.
I think in a higher SES area you have fewer disruptions in a Gen Ed classroom, which means there is likely not a huge difference between Gen Ed kids with LIII pull-outs and full-time LIV kids.
On the western side of the county, OP’s child (whose math score is low) would be fine in Gen Ed with a pull-out. On the eastern side, I would push hard for AAP.
Anonymous wrote:AAP is not about gifted. Really it only leap frogs the students one year ahead in math. It is reliant on parents supplementing to do so. They don’t teach or drill the basic math facts anymore so that is on you. But it’s really nothing that great in AAP. They have to teach the Social Studies curriculum in all classes. And the same holds true with Science. The math is really the only accelerated subject and even it’s not so terrific for all the frantic mess that we hear and see on DCUM. Not even all the AAP students make it into Algebra by 7th grade yet they were suppose to be so accelerated for 4 grades. Even some AAP students make it to Algebra by 7th grade and then get move back a grade. So, the program isn’t great. You are better off doing your own creative and fun supplemental work. You can create your own learning lab at home that’s leaps and bounds more creative and impactful than this program.