Anonymous wrote:someone who thinks of them as a tool, an appliance, a therapist, and a warm hole … but not a fully fleshed out human. Which is how a lot of young men see women.

Do any of the young men in your extended family feel this way? This is the type of hyperbolic nonsense that leads to lonely, unhappy women in their 50s.

Anonymous wrote:Women don't need a husband to procreate, Dum Dum.

Good luck with sperm banks. Who knows who's seed they'll get. Imagine if MAGA incels decided to repeatedly donate? They can't keep catching it in a sock.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want a higher birth rate, baby bonuses don’t work. They need to address the housing problem, the economic uncertainty, and the unavailability of daycare/expense of daycare. Men also need to modernize their approach to marriage and family. (Gift article)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/baby-bonuses-fertility-planning-trump-aides-assess-ideas-to-boost-birthrate.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BU8.NtkN.WagWczUEi5e6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

exactly who gets harmed with lower birthrates?

our nation is already overwhelmed with too many people.

please explain the problem with a lower birthrate?

Omg such an ignorant comment. Clearly you understand zero about demographics and economics.

DP- We know what a Ponzi scheme looks like. If you truly believe in climate change, reducing the population of the US should be the goal.

Really. What is wrong with these DCUM folks? Are they all that naive?

There is no good reason to increase the birth rate

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There are more women than men. If women get too picky they'll end up childless cat ladies.

Ha! Don't threaten them with a good time!

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Anonymous wrote:If you want a higher birth rate, baby bonuses don’t work. They need to address the housing problem, the economic uncertainty, and the unavailability of daycare/expense of daycare. Men also need to modernize their approach to marriage and family. (Gift article)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/baby-bonuses-fertility-planning-trump-aides-assess-ideas-to-boost-birthrate.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BU8.NtkN.WagWczUEi5e6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

exactly who gets harmed with lower birthrates?

our nation is already overwhelmed with too many people.

please explain the problem with a lower birthrate?

What are you talking about? We don’t have enough people! If you had your dream and got rid of all the brown people who would pick our props? Who would care for our elderly? Who would build our houses? there aren’t enough white people to do the work.

Why don't we have enough people? It feels like you are advocating just importing a slave labor class and turning this country into a third world - what if these jobs actually payed a legit wage. I don't understand how having more people solves some of the major issues we have today with housing, pay, etc.

DP. You have to have a certain percentage of new people (by birth or immigration) to have economic growth. It’s economics 101. America has always had better than replacement rates. We are a big country. If you live in a city, there are plenty of people but rural areas are dying. Nobody is advocating for a slave labor class. America needs to overhaul/update/fix our immigration process. We need to prosecute employers who hire people here illegally but we need to have a better immigration system that ends employer’s ability to exploit people here illegally or in programs like H1 B. But American businesses, like Trump’s, love cheap labor.

But it's Environmental Science 101 that over-population is not sustainable nor desirable. And there is a reason that birth rates go down as countries develop.

The economics need to adapt. That's a much better solution than trying to coerce growth of the underclass.

Birthrates go down as people move to cities. It is less desirable to have a family in a tiny apartment and houses are very expensive. I just got back from very rural America and they’re losing people left and right. Funny having folks work remote would be great for small towns! But Trump et al are not really interested in this. They want to give Mormons and Catholics prizes for doing nothing different.

I noticed that weirdness too. Remote work was supposed to bring more life to rural communities. Oh well.

+1. I was a full time Fed with FT telework since COVID and guaranteed for the next 5 years in our union contract. I’m eligible to retire in 6 years. We had planned to put our house in the DMV on the market… right about now actually (one kid still in a VA State College. She gets a one year grace period on in state tuition and is a rising senior, so this was the year we were finally free to move). And had planned to move to a more rural area of NC, where we have friends and I could be near my aging parents. And almost certainly pay cash for a decent house from the equity we have— and offset the pay decrease from moving. Now, im back in two days a week. They can’t make it work and are going back to none. But it could become 5. It’s so up in the air. I’m in the DMV for the next six years. I won’t risk moving even if we get telework back, because I now know my union contract is worth nothing and I can’t rely on the federal governments promises.

But yeah, honoring remote telework opens the door for people with good paying jobs to relocate to lower COL, more rural areas.

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Anonymous wrote:If you want a higher birth rate, baby bonuses don’t work. They need to address the housing problem, the economic uncertainty, and the unavailability of daycare/expense of daycare. Men also need to modernize their approach to marriage and family. (Gift article)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/21/us/politics/baby-bonuses-fertility-planning-trump-aides-assess-ideas-to-boost-birthrate.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BU8.NtkN.WagWczUEi5e6&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

exactly who gets harmed with lower birthrates?

our nation is already overwhelmed with too many people.

please explain the problem with a lower birthrate?

Omg such an ignorant comment. Clearly you understand zero about demographics and economics.

DP- We know what a Ponzi scheme looks like. If you truly believe in climate change, reducing the population of the US should be the goal.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There are more women than men. If women get too picky they'll end up childless cat ladies.

But women would rather be alone and relatively content - maybe not fully happy, most people do ultimately want to be in a relationship with someone they love - than in an unhappy marriage with someone who thinks of them as a tool, an appliance, a therapist, and a warm hole … but not a fully fleshed out human. Which is how a lot of young men see women.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There are more women than men. If women get too picky they'll end up childless cat ladies.

Women don't need a husband to procreate, Dum Dum. This Trump plan is the incel's answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There are more women than men. If women get too picky they'll end up childless cat ladies.

Late 20's single, childless cat lady here. Would much rather continue on this path than wake up next to MAGA every morning.

If they want more white babies to be born, all women and men need paid maternity / paternity leave, 20 days of leave per year for everyone, and lower cost high quality child care.

All the things Republicans hate.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There are more women than men. If women get too picky they'll end up childless cat ladies.

Here’s the thing, why would you want to spend your life and have children with someone you don’t like when you don’t have to? This is part of the issue that’s happening. Women have the choice, and with the availability of that choice they are choosing not to marry, or only do so if they actually really like that person and not out of obligation.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There are more women than men. If women get too picky they'll end up childless cat ladies.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.

There is a 16 point gap between Gen Z men and women in the 2024 election. They don’t want the same things.

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Anonymous wrote:One clue on where the pronatalist agenda of the Trump administration is coming from:

*Project 2025, the policy blueprint that has forecast much of Mr. Trump’s agenda so far, discusses family issues before anything else, opening its first chapter with a promise to “restore the family as the centerpiece of American life.”

*Much of the movement is built around promoting a very specific idea of what constitutes a family — one that includes marriage between a man and a woman, and leaves out many families that don’t conform to traditional gender roles or family structures.

The article ends with this exhortation from Dear Leader--get to it, mamas!

*Mr. Trump himself weighed in on the issue at the Conservative Political Action Conference in 2023, with a statement that has become a rallying cry for many in the movement.

“We will support baby booms and we will support baby bonuses for a new baby boom,” Mr. Trump said. “I want a baby boom.”

Yes, this is right out of the Project 2025 playbook. A family is a married white male and female. They disguise their concern for infertility and "dangerous" birth control with promoting programs that educate women on their menstrual cycles, using the rhythm instead of BC. This faulty method will result in more unwanted pregnancies. With abortion illegal in many states - voila - more babies.

+1 its incredibly easy to prevent pregnancy now. I mean they sell birth control pills for like 20 bucks at CVS and we have the morning after pill. Education is a quick google search away. the teenage pregnancy rate has plummeted. Even if there was a total ban on abortion I don’t think it would make much of a difference. They are going to have to get rid of the means of prevention to make the birth rate go up.

Agree, but they will be coming for the morning after pill and possibly BC they consider an abortifacient.

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Anonymous wrote:Women need to CAREFULLY select the fathers of their children.

Young men are becoming more and more conservative. Good luck.

Kamala Harris won 40% of 18-29 men without a college degree and 46% of 18-29 men with a college degree. Still lots of fish in that sea.