Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 22:00     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
I mean as long as we’re going to play the “this will pay by itself by making New York nicer and making people want to move here” game you can make that argument for Mamdani’s ideas too, but then it’s turned into a debate over the merits of the policies and you lose the whole “how will he pay for it” line.

The “sound fiscal policy” candidate in this race is Lander; the “knows how the politics of the budget process works” candidate is Adams. If “paying for stuff” is your lodestar, you should rank those two and not rank Cuomo.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 20:20     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:Cuomo wants to spend $1B on more cops when crime is going down, I don’t see anybody asking how he plans to pay for that. And again, he’s a sex pest and that ought to be disqualifying on its own.

Everybody here seems to be OK with most of the candidates not named Cuomo or Mamdani, why not just rank 5 of them in whatever order you like? But don’t rank Cuomo, he sucks.


Quality of life crimes are not going down. Lies. Damn lies. Statistics. And crimes are not being prosecuted. Unfortunately no one decent ran against Bragg so we are likely stuck with him.

By making the city safe people want to live here, businesses want to be here and tourists want to come here. Pays for itself. Mamdani has likely barely balanced a checkbook, nevertheless a ridiculously complicated budget of a gigantic city. The NY Times agrees with me on this - not making it up.

And again, he lost me at "rent freeze." Dumbest idea I've ever. Rent should go up by inflation. Or some formula that factors in the increase in real estate taxes and utility prices.

By the way, in addition to Bowdoin, your "man of the people" was apparently too good for public school and went to Bank Street. He lived on the UWS. Plenty of great public schools. All we hear about is Bronx Science. Tough life.

Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 19:16     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Cuomo wants to spend $1B on more cops when crime is going down, I don’t see anybody asking how he plans to pay for that. And again, he’s a sex pest and that ought to be disqualifying on its own.

Everybody here seems to be OK with most of the candidates not named Cuomo or Mamdani, why not just rank 5 of them in whatever order you like? But don’t rank Cuomo, he sucks.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 19:03     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
I'm still waiting to hear how Mamdani will pay for his wish list.

I also want to know why and how the city should be running grocery stores. I go to a grocery store in a low income area. I see lots of people using various programs to subsidize their groceries. The city has no core competency at running a grocery store. Why should they be doing this. It is one of his many truly dumb suggestions. I can't believe people are dumb enough to fall for it.

If you don't like Cuomo, I get it. But don't vote for Mamdani. Vote for Lander. Or Stringer. Or Tilson. Or Bozo the Clown. I don't care. Just not this guy.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 17:44     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:No thanks. Mamdani is way too far left.

Bad on Israel (not that it should matter, but he has chosen to speak up on it).

Freeze rents on rent-stabilized apartments? Aren't landlords allowed to make a living?

Free buses? Really?

He is way too light on crime.

And he has no clue how to pay for his wish list. He will bankrupt the city. And Trump will walk all over him.

Mamdani hates America, so Democrats like him?
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 17:41     Subject: Re:Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
It seems like this thread was set up to drum up support for Mamdani.

NYC should elect him and we can watch the fun unfold! Another London and Sadiq Khan in the making.
Anonymous
Post 06/22/2025 17:25     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
At 00:13 - agree that cuomo is a disgusting human being! I used to work for him. He is as creepy as they say and he is deep in the pockets of the city’s wealthiest. He hired their kids and grandkids to do made-up jobs. A thoroughly corrupt man. Google Moreland Commission if the sex harass scandals and the undercounted Covid deaths are not enough to turn you off. There is no reason on God’s green earth to vote for this ethics-less man.
Anonymous
Post 06/18/2025 00:13     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
“Very flawed person” - he’s a disgusting human being, he resigned from office in disgrace under a storm of sexual harassment claims, I believe one of them even on video. And instead of apologizing and making amends he’s tormenting his accusers in court and making the state pay for it. That really, really ought to be enough to not rank him all by itself; if somehow you’re not morally outraged by it you should at least consider the practical difficulties he’ll have hiring a competent staff when many qualified people will refuse to work for them for the sake of their own safety / well-being.

“The Republicans were far from Trumpers” so it’s OK to hand control of a legislature to the other party because they’re nice?

Adrienne Adams is making some late gains in recent polls, Lander remains a great choice, you can fill your ballot with strong candidates who aren’t Cuomo and aren’t Mamdani and there’s a very good chance one of them will end up mayor. And if not, then at least you can sleep easy at night knowing you didn’t vote for a mayor who you wouldn’t trust alone in a room with your daughter.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 22:41     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "conservative." I think most of the people opposing you have made it clear that they are lifelong Democrats and anti-Trump. So that puts them well to the left of more than half of America. There are so many people who live in the super liberal bubble of NYC and never leave it. And these people constantly call their moderate Democrat neighbors conservative, or worse yet accuse them of being like Trump. This is mean and rude and incredibly simplistic.


This is a race for mayor of NYC; I think it's fair to refer to Cuomo as the conservative candidate in this race, and his supporters as conservatives. You'd probably all be considered raving liberals in Texas, but we're not in Texas. Cuomo also has a number of qualities in common with Trump - the ego and bullying and self-centeredness and of course all the sexual harassment - that I don't think his supporters are grappling with. And, again, he helped ensure Republicans would control the NY State Senate, so if you're truly a lifelong Democrat and anti-Trump then I don't see how you could consider that remotely acceptable.

Anonymous wrote:Running a big city is all about tradeoffs and compromise. Cuomo admittedly has some issues with this as well. But he has been there before so gets the joke more.


He's shown less willingness to compromise than Mamdani, and has a much longer track record of not compromising on stuff, and he's twice Mamdani's age so he has a lot less potential for growth in that area; if you're going to vote for somebody with unrealistic proposals then I don't think 'getting the joke' is a reason to pick one candidate over another.

Anonymous wrote:I think Lander could be tolerable. I wish he hadn't aligned with Mamdani as it is a bad sign. I think there are a lot of people who will have a ballot in some order of Cuomo, Tilson, Stringer, Myrie and Ramos. And for those who can't stomach Cuomo (which I can fully understand), they might slide in Lander.


Myrie and Ramos are both to the left of Lander so I don't know why anyone would have a ballot with those two and *not* Lander unless they're simply on some sort of personal vendetta against Mamdani and anybody who's friendly to Mamdani, in which case I would suggest that maybe there are reasons for that that go beyond his policies or supposed lack of experience.


Cuomo also ushered in gay marriage and strengthened gun control. He raised the minimum wage and increased paid family leave. Forget about that? I will admit he is a very flawed person, but you have to admit that he did a lot of positive things, some of which are far from conservative. Very few people are completely at one extreme or another, no matter what advertisements tell you. Though Mamdani seems to pretty consistently stay to the far left.

The Republicans in the state legislature you are referring to were far from Trumpers. That was a different era.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 22:32     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are living this hell in our public school now. The school won’t even teach certain parts of the NYC DOE curriculum because it is not anti racist enough. Everything is thru the lens of race. Academics do not matter, the bar is so low. If you are for advanced learning that is shamed. Just voted in my CEC election and struggled to find a candidate who even mentioned academics. The whole thing is sad and has us questioning our choice to live here.


Are in in a downtown nyc public elementary school? Considering one for my child...


I'm guessing they are in the super woke district in Brooklyn that decided to basically do a race to the bottom for the sake of "equity" and white guilt (I think it is 15)? UES and UWS publics are more progressive than I would like (I'm a moderate Democrat) but the kids still are learning the fundamentals and getting a good education. It can vary by teacher but I think the poster is being pretty melo-dramatic, though perhaps they are somewhere else. I know less about downtown schools but have heard good things about a number of them (I don't live there so can't keep track of which is which - I only have so much bandwidth and they don't really impact me).


I’m the OP who mentioned our school being dumbed down. Bingo on the guess of a woke Brooklyn district. Yes I was being a bit dramatic I admit. It does vary by district so downtown may be ok. You can always supplement too see the recent nypost article about math. We are doing this.


That area has become notorious. People tripping over themselves to virtue signal and show how progressive they are. It is the race to the bottom rather than leaving the good alone and trying to bring up the bottom. And I am saying this as a Democrat.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 21:36     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are living this hell in our public school now. The school won’t even teach certain parts of the NYC DOE curriculum because it is not anti racist enough. Everything is thru the lens of race. Academics do not matter, the bar is so low. If you are for advanced learning that is shamed. Just voted in my CEC election and struggled to find a candidate who even mentioned academics. The whole thing is sad and has us questioning our choice to live here.


Are in in a downtown nyc public elementary school? Considering one for my child...


I'm guessing they are in the super woke district in Brooklyn that decided to basically do a race to the bottom for the sake of "equity" and white guilt (I think it is 15)? UES and UWS publics are more progressive than I would like (I'm a moderate Democrat) but the kids still are learning the fundamentals and getting a good education. It can vary by teacher but I think the poster is being pretty melo-dramatic, though perhaps they are somewhere else. I know less about downtown schools but have heard good things about a number of them (I don't live there so can't keep track of which is which - I only have so much bandwidth and they don't really impact me).


I’m the OP who mentioned our school being dumbed down. Bingo on the guess of a woke Brooklyn district. Yes I was being a bit dramatic I admit. It does vary by district so downtown may be ok. You can always supplement too see the recent nypost article about math. We are doing this.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 16:52     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jessica Tisch the nepo baby being pushed by the center-right establishment NYT?


She could be sitting in the Hamptons eating bon bons but instead is working her tail off to make NYC a better place.

The Times usually pushes the most woke candidates so I am glad they profiled someone more centrist. And she is worth profiling - she is a rising star in the city. She admits getting her foot in the door because of who she is (as well as her degrees) but she is doing the work.

The class envy is so low class. I can't stand people who hate others just because they have money. Who do you prefer?


She doesn't "just have money." The rich yield their power to crush everyone else. Get a clue!


There are many rich people who are extremely philanthropic and do wonderful things to help others. They’re not all selfish losers like Trump of Musk.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 10:48     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jessica Tisch the nepo baby being pushed by the center-right establishment NYT?


She could be sitting in the Hamptons eating bon bons but instead is working her tail off to make NYC a better place.

The Times usually pushes the most woke candidates so I am glad they profiled someone more centrist. And she is worth profiling - she is a rising star in the city. She admits getting her foot in the door because of who she is (as well as her degrees) but she is doing the work.

The class envy is so low class. I can't stand people who hate others just because they have money. Who do you prefer?


She doesn't "just have money." The rich yield their power to crush everyone else. Get a clue!
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 09:33     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:You lost me at "conservative." I think most of the people opposing you have made it clear that they are lifelong Democrats and anti-Trump. So that puts them well to the left of more than half of America. There are so many people who live in the super liberal bubble of NYC and never leave it. And these people constantly call their moderate Democrat neighbors conservative, or worse yet accuse them of being like Trump. This is mean and rude and incredibly simplistic.


This is a race for mayor of NYC; I think it's fair to refer to Cuomo as the conservative candidate in this race, and his supporters as conservatives. You'd probably all be considered raving liberals in Texas, but we're not in Texas. Cuomo also has a number of qualities in common with Trump - the ego and bullying and self-centeredness and of course all the sexual harassment - that I don't think his supporters are grappling with. And, again, he helped ensure Republicans would control the NY State Senate, so if you're truly a lifelong Democrat and anti-Trump then I don't see how you could consider that remotely acceptable.

Anonymous wrote:Running a big city is all about tradeoffs and compromise. Cuomo admittedly has some issues with this as well. But he has been there before so gets the joke more.


He's shown less willingness to compromise than Mamdani, and has a much longer track record of not compromising on stuff, and he's twice Mamdani's age so he has a lot less potential for growth in that area; if you're going to vote for somebody with unrealistic proposals then I don't think 'getting the joke' is a reason to pick one candidate over another.

Anonymous wrote:I think Lander could be tolerable. I wish he hadn't aligned with Mamdani as it is a bad sign. I think there are a lot of people who will have a ballot in some order of Cuomo, Tilson, Stringer, Myrie and Ramos. And for those who can't stomach Cuomo (which I can fully understand), they might slide in Lander.


Myrie and Ramos are both to the left of Lander so I don't know why anyone would have a ballot with those two and *not* Lander unless they're simply on some sort of personal vendetta against Mamdani and anybody who's friendly to Mamdani, in which case I would suggest that maybe there are reasons for that that go beyond his policies or supposed lack of experience.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2025 09:19     Subject: Who are you voting for in the Dem primary for mayor?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, I'm aware I'm arguing with multiple people, I just got mixed up about which one

I can say with a great deal of both real-world and online experience that being the one person making the opposite argument in a room full of people who feel a certain way is a *tremendously* high-leverage proposition, which is probably why conservatives do it so much. You're never going to change the mind of the people arguing with you, and your arguments don't honestly even really matter that much; the important thing is having that perspective aired everywhere, so that other people see it as within the bounds of reasonable discourse.

So being the *one* outspoken Mamdani fan in a forum full of conservative private school parents (conservative enough even that it's constantly dumping on schools like Dalton and Fieldston for being too 'woke' despite being full of rich white people and costing $65,000/year to attend) is well worth the effort.

And yes, Koch was vastly better than Bloomberg. Mamdani has plans to play for his policies, and they are, again, on his website, which was, again, written by humans; you just don't care to read them.

But as long as we're talking about fiscal responsibility, here's an article from the conservative-leaning Vital City arguing that both Mamdani *and* Cuomo are making unrealistic budget proposals:

https://www.vitalcitynyc.org/articles/zohran-mamdani-and-andrew-cuomo-arent-as-different-as-you-might-think

On Cuomo:

"Unfortunately, he’s running a campaign made up of costly and clumsily cobbled-together promises to unions and other constituencies.

For example, he has reversed himself on the wisdom of Tier 6 pension reforms, the slightly-less-generous retirement benefits for public employees passed in 2012 with his support, which are saving city government hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Did Cuomo’s principles change or is he just bending to win union and retiree support?

The need for comprehensive property tax reform has been widely acknowledged across the political spectrum — because the current system is impossible to understand and horribly unfair to all types of residents. Cuomo, who understands this well, wants to cap property tax increases just for the city’s one-to-three-family homes, a patently political play that will make it harder, not easier, to solve the bigger problem, which calls for some sort of grand bargain. Again, the former governor knows exactly what he’s doing: This is an expensive pander, not an answer."


Much like NYT, they seem to like Lander better than either of them: "but overall, his detailed taxing and spending proposals make a better-faith effort not to commit hundreds of millions we don’t have."

I don't expect to persuade anybody actually *posting* here to vote for Mamdani (though I do imagine I might catch a few others), but I'm hoping you might at least reconsider your insistence that Lander is also off limits; again, you can rank him ahead of Cuomo if you're committed to the proposition that Cuomo is a reasonable price to pay to stop Mamdani, or you can follow through on your assertion that they're both terrible, not rank either, and if Lander doesn't win then at least you're absolved of blame for whoever does.


You lost me at "conservative." I think most of the people opposing you have made it clear that they are lifelong Democrats and anti-Trump. So that puts them well to the left of more than half of America. There are so many people who live in the super liberal bubble of NYC and never leave it. And these people constantly call their moderate Democrat neighbors conservative, or worse yet accuse them of being like Trump. This is mean and rude and incredibly simplistic.

And this is why we can't support someone like Mamdani. There is no willingness to compromise. So much virtue signaling. I will take Mamdani every day of the week over Trump and MAGA. Because as much as I disagree with him on so much, I truly respect that his heart is in the right place. But he just throws out these super progressive ideas without thinking of the consequences of them. Running a big city is all about tradeoffs and compromise. Cuomo admittedly has some issues with this as well. But he has been there before so gets the joke more.

And yes, Dalton and Fieldston are extremely woke. The issue is that they are full of rich white people with white guilt complexes who are going overboard in trying to manage those. They have been obsessed with DEI. A good friend was considering transferring their public school child to Fieldston a few years ago and the vast majority of the zoom info session was about their commitment to DEI, DEI initiatives, diversity, etc. Almost nothing about curriculum, extra-curriculars, teaching style, etc. It was overboard. I am strongly supportive of diversity (which is why my kids are in public schools) but there is a limit.

I think Lander could be tolerable. I wish he hadn't aligned with Mamdani as it is a bad sign. I think there are a lot of people who will have a ballot in some order of Cuomo, Tilson, Stringer, Myrie and Ramos. And for those who can't stomach Cuomo (which I can fully understand), they might slide in Lander.