Why TF are non-DHMS people even commenting on it? MYOB.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

I’m fine with food and gift drives they are not explicitly religious and iftar or Hanukkah event are. These drives are sometimes the only source of gifts or food that kids get and at my school at least it’s often non-Christians receiving them so I don’t think they have a problem with it either

Food drive:sharing food:during the Christmas season….iftar:sharing food:during the Ramadan season…same thing for toys, why during the Christmas season, because they are Christmas gifts, otherwise why not any other time of the year? I’m not against food drives or toys but like the PP said, do it for all or do it for none. You are otherwise favoring one religion over the other.

It varies by school. We do food/clothing drives multiple times per year at my school and Christmas is never mentioned. If instead of calling, get an avatar, they wanted to call it a community feast and it happened to be around Eid that’s fine.
I didn’t complain about the Hanukkah event because I didn’t know about it. I do think that’s a problem I do not think of food or toy drive is explicitly Christmas.

Even if it’s called “Christmas food drive”?

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

I’m fine with food and gift drives they are not explicitly religious and iftar or Hanukkah event are. These drives are sometimes the only source of gifts or food that kids get and at my school at least it’s often non-Christians receiving them so I don’t think they have a problem with it either

Food drive:sharing food:during the Christmas season….iftar:sharing food:during the Ramadan season…same thing for toys, why during the Christmas season, because they are Christmas gifts, otherwise why not any other time of the year? I’m not against food drives or toys but like the PP said, do it for all or do it for none. You are otherwise favoring one religion over the other.

It varies by school. We do food/clothing drives multiple times per year at my school and Christmas is never mentioned. If instead of calling, get an avatar, they wanted to call it a community feast and it happened to be around Eid that’s fine.
I didn’t complain about the Hanukkah event because I didn’t know about it. I do think that’s a problem I do not think of food or toy drive is explicitly Christmas.

at my autocorrect “instead of calling it Iftar”

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

I’m fine with food and gift drives they are not explicitly religious and iftar or Hanukkah event are. These drives are sometimes the only source of gifts or food that kids get and at my school at least it’s often non-Christians receiving them so I don’t think they have a problem with it either

Food drive:sharing food:during the Christmas season….iftar:sharing food:during the Ramadan season…same thing for toys, why during the Christmas season, because they are Christmas gifts, otherwise why not any other time of the year? I’m not against food drives or toys but like the PP said, do it for all or do it for none. You are otherwise favoring one religion over the other.

It varies by school. We do food/clothing drives multiple times per year at my school and Christmas is never mentioned. If instead of calling, get an avatar, they wanted to call it a community feast and it happened to be around Eid that’s fine.
I didn’t complain about the Hanukkah event because I didn’t know about it. I do think that’s a problem I do not think of food or toy drive is explicitly Christmas.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d contact the office of DEI because they aren’t offering Seders or Easter dinners to my knowledge. I sometimes get the feeling that we tiptoe around Muslims in APS

. Not true. They hosted a Seder last year too.

Ok, that’s shouldn’t be allowed either

I really really wish we'd just give the religious right their vouchers and kick them out of public school once and for all. How celebrating a community's religious and cultural differences is upsetting is beyond me. I'm an atheist. And an attorney. The Iftar dinner in and of itself is not at all legally or ethically objectionable. It's after hours. It's not being funded by the school. It's parent and teacher volunteers.

And what the h&ll is an Easter celebration? Like a ham or something? Don't you all do that on the WHOLE FORKING WEEK PLUS A MONDAY YOU GET OFF IN APS EVERY YEAR????? I'm on the PTA, if you want a ham dinner, please let us know. I'll bring one myself. Just for you.

I do not want my tax money going to fund their private educations. I can't afford one for my own kids, why the h--- should I have to pay for theirs?

But you would be able to get the same money they do to fund your kids' private education. That's the point.

I don't want - no longer need - that money to fund my own kids' private education....unless you're going to let me apply it toward college tuition. People with no kids should not have to fund others' private educations. Taxpayers pay to support the public education system.

Our taxes fund public colleges that your child may be or is attending. Since we don’t have children attending colleges, should we have to subsidize your child’s college tuition? Also, we don’t use the roads and public infrastructure around your neighborhood, we shouldn’t have to pay for the use as well.

School vouchers offer parents of school age children choices. They can choose to use the voucher at a public school if they want. It’s not subsidizing privates because the cost of the voucher was paid for by taxes the parents paid. If you’re arguing that parents who never paid taxes towards public education then they shouldn’t get vouchers, I can accept that.

Your argument is weak. Your taxes support my kids' public education K-12 and, if they attend a public university in the State of Virginia, their college. But WE still pay our kids' college tuition, room and board, and fees out of our own pocket IN ADDITION to the taxes WE have also paid. People without kids also pay those same taxes, just as they do for the local public schools that they don't send any children to.

Additionally, the entire community benefits from a quality public schools system whether they have kids in it or not. The entire community benefits from good roads and public parks throughout the County, whether they use them or not. Nobody is taking the taxes I/you pay for those things AWAY with them to use different roads or other parks.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

I’m fine with food and gift drives they are not explicitly religious and iftar or Hanukkah event are. These drives are sometimes the only source of gifts or food that kids get and at my school at least it’s often non-Christians receiving them so I don’t think they have a problem with it either

Food drive:sharing food:during the Christmas season….iftar:sharing food:during the Ramadan season…same thing for toys, why during the Christmas season, because they are Christmas gifts, otherwise why not any other time of the year? I’m not against food drives or toys but like the PP said, do it for all or do it for none. You are otherwise favoring one religion over the other.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d contact the office of DEI because they aren’t offering Seders or Easter dinners to my knowledge. I sometimes get the feeling that we tiptoe around Muslims in APS

. Not true. They hosted a Seder last year too.

Ok, that’s shouldn’t be allowed either

I really really wish we'd just give the religious right their vouchers and kick them out of public school once and for all. How celebrating a community's religious and cultural differences is upsetting is beyond me. I'm an atheist. And an attorney. The Iftar dinner in and of itself is not at all legally or ethically objectionable. It's after hours. It's not being funded by the school. It's parent and teacher volunteers.

And what the h&ll is an Easter celebration? Like a ham or something? Don't you all do that on the WHOLE FORKING WEEK PLUS A MONDAY YOU GET OFF IN APS EVERY YEAR????? I'm on the PTA, if you want a ham dinner, please let us know. I'll bring one myself. Just for you.

I do not want my tax money going to fund their private educations. I can't afford one for my own kids, why the h--- should I have to pay for theirs?

But you would be able to get the same money they do to fund your kids' private education. That's the point.

I don't want - no longer need - that money to fund my own kids' private education....unless you're going to let me apply it toward college tuition. People with no kids should not have to fund others' private educations. Taxpayers pay to support the public education system.

Our taxes fund public colleges that your child may be or is attending. Since we don’t have children attending colleges, should we have to subsidize your child’s college tuition? Also, we don’t use the roads and public infrastructure around your neighborhood, we shouldn’t have to pay for the use as well.

School vouchers offer parents of school age children choices. They can choose to use the voucher at a public school if they want. It’s not subsidizing privates because the cost of the voucher was paid for by taxes the parents paid. If you’re arguing that parents who never paid taxes towards public education then they shouldn’t get vouchers, I can accept that.

The people who benefit from vouchers are the wealthy families who already have kids in private school.

We should not drain funds for public schools just to subsidize tuition for wealthy families.

School vouchers hurt our public schools.

I understand why the establishment wants to keep funds in public schools. Vouchers aren’t subsidizing the wealthy because it’s taxes they already paid for services they are not using. It’s their choice to use privates but let’s not pretend that poor parents are funding the vouchers.

Having quality public schools benefits everyone, even people without kids. Just like having functioning roads and fire departments. You don’t just get your money back for services you don’t use — certainly not for services that are provided to you but you CHOOSE not to use them.

Tax payers should not be subsidizing private school tuition for wealthy families who choose to not send their kids to the public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d contact the office of DEI because they aren’t offering Seders or Easter dinners to my knowledge. I sometimes get the feeling that we tiptoe around Muslims in APS

. Not true. They hosted a Seder last year too.

Ok, that’s shouldn’t be allowed either

I really really wish we'd just give the religious right their vouchers and kick them out of public school once and for all. How celebrating a community's religious and cultural differences is upsetting is beyond me. I'm an atheist. And an attorney. The Iftar dinner in and of itself is not at all legally or ethically objectionable. It's after hours. It's not being funded by the school. It's parent and teacher volunteers.

And what the h&ll is an Easter celebration? Like a ham or something? Don't you all do that on the WHOLE FORKING WEEK PLUS A MONDAY YOU GET OFF IN APS EVERY YEAR????? I'm on the PTA, if you want a ham dinner, please let us know. I'll bring one myself. Just for you.

I do not want my tax money going to fund their private educations. I can't afford one for my own kids, why the h--- should I have to pay for theirs?

But you would be able to get the same money they do to fund your kids' private education. That's the point.

I don't want - no longer need - that money to fund my own kids' private education....unless you're going to let me apply it toward college tuition. People with no kids should not have to fund others' private educations. Taxpayers pay to support the public education system.

Our taxes fund public colleges that your child may be or is attending. Since we don’t have children attending colleges, should we have to subsidize your child’s college tuition? Also, we don’t use the roads and public infrastructure around your neighborhood, we shouldn’t have to pay for the use as well.

School vouchers offer parents of school age children choices. They can choose to use the voucher at a public school if they want. It’s not subsidizing privates because the cost of the voucher was paid for by taxes the parents paid. If you’re arguing that parents who never paid taxes towards public education then they shouldn’t get vouchers, I can accept that.

The people who benefit from vouchers are the wealthy families who already have kids in private school.

We should not drain funds for public schools just to subsidize tuition for wealthy families.

School vouchers hurt our public schools.

I understand why the establishment wants to keep funds in public schools. Vouchers aren’t subsidizing the wealthy because it’s taxes they already paid for services they are not using. It’s their choice to use privates but let’s not pretend that poor parents are funding the vouchers.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

I’m fine with food and gift drives they are not explicitly religious and iftar or Hanukkah event are. These drives are sometimes the only source of gifts or food that kids get and at my school at least it’s often non-Christians receiving them so I don’t think they have a problem with it either

So you are ok with some religious events if they meet your criteria. Got it.

Did you complain about the Chanukah event?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d contact the office of DEI because they aren’t offering Seders or Easter dinners to my knowledge. I sometimes get the feeling that we tiptoe around Muslims in APS

. Not true. They hosted a Seder last year too.

Ok, that’s shouldn’t be allowed either

I really really wish we'd just give the religious right their vouchers and kick them out of public school once and for all. How celebrating a community's religious and cultural differences is upsetting is beyond me. I'm an atheist. And an attorney. The Iftar dinner in and of itself is not at all legally or ethically objectionable. It's after hours. It's not being funded by the school. It's parent and teacher volunteers.

And what the h&ll is an Easter celebration? Like a ham or something? Don't you all do that on the WHOLE FORKING WEEK PLUS A MONDAY YOU GET OFF IN APS EVERY YEAR????? I'm on the PTA, if you want a ham dinner, please let us know. I'll bring one myself. Just for you.

I do not want my tax money going to fund their private educations. I can't afford one for my own kids, why the h--- should I have to pay for theirs?

But you would be able to get the same money they do to fund your kids' private education. That's the point.

I don't want - no longer need - that money to fund my own kids' private education....unless you're going to let me apply it toward college tuition. People with no kids should not have to fund others' private educations. Taxpayers pay to support the public education system.

Our taxes fund public colleges that your child may be or is attending. Since we don’t have children attending colleges, should we have to subsidize your child’s college tuition? Also, we don’t use the roads and public infrastructure around your neighborhood, we shouldn’t have to pay for the use as well.

School vouchers offer parents of school age children choices. They can choose to use the voucher at a public school if they want. It’s not subsidizing privates because the cost of the voucher was paid for by taxes the parents paid. If you’re arguing that parents who never paid taxes towards public education then they shouldn’t get vouchers, I can accept that.

The people who benefit from vouchers are the wealthy families who already have kids in private school.

We should not drain funds for public schools just to subsidize tuition for wealthy families.

School vouchers hurt our public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d contact the office of DEI because they aren’t offering Seders or Easter dinners to my knowledge. I sometimes get the feeling that we tiptoe around Muslims in APS

. Not true. They hosted a Seder last year too.

Ok, that’s shouldn’t be allowed either

I really really wish we'd just give the religious right their vouchers and kick them out of public school once and for all. How celebrating a community's religious and cultural differences is upsetting is beyond me. I'm an atheist. And an attorney. The Iftar dinner in and of itself is not at all legally or ethically objectionable. It's after hours. It's not being funded by the school. It's parent and teacher volunteers.

And what the h&ll is an Easter celebration? Like a ham or something? Don't you all do that on the WHOLE FORKING WEEK PLUS A MONDAY YOU GET OFF IN APS EVERY YEAR????? I'm on the PTA, if you want a ham dinner, please let us know. I'll bring one myself. Just for you.

I do not want my tax money going to fund their private educations. I can't afford one for my own kids, why the h--- should I have to pay for theirs?

But you would be able to get the same money they do to fund your kids' private education. That's the point.

I don't want - no longer need - that money to fund my own kids' private education....unless you're going to let me apply it toward college tuition. People with no kids should not have to fund others' private educations. Taxpayers pay to support the public education system.

Our taxes fund public colleges that your child may be or is attending. Since we don’t have children attending colleges, should we have to subsidize your child’s college tuition? Also, we don’t use the roads and public infrastructure around your neighborhood, we shouldn’t have to pay for the use as well.

School vouchers offer parents of school age children choices. They can choose to use the voucher at a public school if they want. It’s not subsidizing privates because the cost of the voucher was paid for by taxes the parents paid. If you’re arguing that parents who never paid taxes towards public education then they shouldn’t get vouchers, I can accept that.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

I’m fine with food and gift drives they are not explicitly religious and iftar or Hanukkah event are. These drives are sometimes the only source of gifts or food that kids get and at my school at least it’s often non-Christians receiving them so I don’t think they have a problem with it either

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.

They are events run by Christians that are based their religious beliefs. Gift giving and helping others is certainly how many/most Christians observe Christmas. Maybe to you that isn’t “holy” enough to count but it’s still a religious-related event.

Just like the Chanukah event and the Iftar event.

All or none.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was it cancelled?

They didn't mention why they cancelled in the email. Was it because of a-hole parents complaining?

(funny how those a-hole parents didn't complain about Chanukah or Christmas events)

What was the Christmas event?

Food drive and gift wrapping.

That’s not a Christmas event that’s charity.

It’s a different type of event but they still used school space and communication tools to host people gathering for events related to Christmas.

Religious-related events happen at school. You either have to allow them all or none.

Did the people complaining the Iftar also complain about the Chanukah event?

Events "related to Christmas" are not Christmas events. People of no religious belief whatsoever "celebrate" Christmas. But gift-giving is not Christmas. And collecting food and wrapping gifts is not a religious observance. I'm Christian and I object to your classification of these things as anything remotely a religious event or observance.