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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Claremont is as excellent as they come, and its higher yield rate than Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, and Bowdoin show that. In SAT scores, graduation rates, salaries, grad school rates, retention rates, Claremont excels and probably does better than your school.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

If you really want to get down into the details of the “next 10 tier,” after the top 5 of WASP and Bowdoin, there is no question that Harvey Mudd and CMC — and several other schools— are ahead of Middlebury.

As a parent, you should be more concerned about Middlebury staying in that “next 10” than proclaiming about CMC’s status there, which — unlike Midd — is very secure. With Middlebury’s perpetual “over enrollment,” the permanent decline in study abroad, and Midd’s now taking 70% of its class ED, it is quickly headed in the direction of Bates and Colby. Not good.

The HMC troll once again proves themselves to be a clueless idiot. Your incessant shilling for HMC and denigrating CMC is tiring. I'm not worried about Midds position in the rankings. Nor am I impressed by HMC. My kids was recruited by CMS and turned them down. As part of the process they were asked which school they preferred; Mudd didn't make the list even though the kid was offered by MIT as well. Kids go where they feel fit and your nonsensical ramblings aren't going to change anything.

It’s kinda strange not being impressed by HMC, it’s a quality stem college with outsized resources compared to most lacs for stem. It’s just the stem version of CMC.

PP: HMC is a great school, but like the Bucknell troll this one is just too much. HMC is a niche school for a certain set of kids. If mine kid had entertained the offer CMC would have been the choice but they wanted to go East. The kid also turned down MIT and Williams as they decided on Midd. They are all great and this fool dogging CMC while praising HMC to no end is just annoying. I am just glad my kid made their decision without the noise and nonsense that happens here.

NP. Don’t take everything so personally. It’s not about you. Harvey Mudd is exceptional.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

If you really want to get down into the details of the “next 10 tier,” after the top 5 of WASP and Bowdoin, there is no question that Harvey Mudd and CMC — and several other schools— are ahead of Middlebury.

As a parent, you should be more concerned about Middlebury staying in that “next 10” than proclaiming about CMC’s status there, which — unlike Midd — is very secure. With Middlebury’s perpetual “over enrollment,” the permanent decline in study abroad, and Midd’s now taking 70% of its class ED, it is quickly headed in the direction of Bates and Colby. Not good.

The HMC troll once again proves themselves to be a clueless idiot. Your incessant shilling for HMC and denigrating CMC is tiring. I'm not worried about Midds position in the rankings. Nor am I impressed by HMC. My kids was recruited by CMS and turned them down. As part of the process they were asked which school they preferred; Mudd didn't make the list even though the kid was offered by MIT as well. Kids go where they feel fit and your nonsensical ramblings aren't going to change anything.

It’s kinda strange not being impressed by HMC, it’s a quality stem college with outsized resources compared to most lacs for stem. It’s just the stem version of CMC.

PP: HMC is a great school, but like the Bucknell troll this one is just too much. HMC is a niche school for a certain set of kids. If mine kid had entertained the offer CMC would have been the choice but they wanted to go East. The kid also turned down MIT and Williams as they decided on Midd. They are all great and this fool dogging CMC while praising HMC to no end is just annoying. I am just glad my kid made their decision without the noise and nonsense that happens here.

I have no affiliation, but HMC is a gem. Any STEM student would be fortunate to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

If you really want to get down into the details of the “next 10 tier,” after the top 5 of WASP and Bowdoin, there is no question that Harvey Mudd and CMC — and several other schools— are ahead of Middlebury.

As a parent, you should be more concerned about Middlebury staying in that “next 10” than proclaiming about CMC’s status there, which — unlike Midd — is very secure. With Middlebury’s perpetual “over enrollment,” the permanent decline in study abroad, and Midd’s now taking 70% of its class ED, it is quickly headed in the direction of Bates and Colby. Not good.

The HMC troll once again proves themselves to be a clueless idiot. Your incessant shilling for HMC and denigrating CMC is tiring. I'm not worried about Midds position in the rankings. Nor am I impressed by HMC. My kids was recruited by CMS and turned them down. As part of the process they were asked which school they preferred; Mudd didn't make the list even though the kid was offered by MIT as well. Kids go where they feel fit and your nonsensical ramblings aren't going to change anything.

It’s kinda strange not being impressed by HMC, it’s a quality stem college with outsized resources compared to most lacs for stem. It’s just the stem version of CMC.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

If you really want to get down into the details of the “next 10 tier,” after the top 5 of WASP and Bowdoin, there is no question that Harvey Mudd and CMC — and several other schools— are ahead of Middlebury.

As a parent, you should be more concerned about Middlebury staying in that “next 10” than proclaiming about CMC’s status there, which — unlike Midd — is very secure. With Middlebury’s perpetual “over enrollment,” the permanent decline in study abroad, and Midd’s now taking 70% of its class ED, it is quickly headed in the direction of Bates and Colby. Not good.

The HMC troll once again proves themselves to be a clueless idiot. Your incessant shilling for HMC and denigrating CMC is tiring. I'm not worried about Midds position in the rankings. Nor am I impressed by HMC. My kids was recruited by CMS and turned them down. As part of the process they were asked which school they preferred; Mudd didn't make the list even though the kid was offered by MIT as well. Kids go where they feel fit and your nonsensical ramblings aren't going to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

Never said it wasn’t? It doesn’t lead to top medical schools and isn’t a top grad school feeder. It’s narrower and more pre professional, which makes it more difficult to evaluate in the context of academics.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

If you really want to get down into the details of the “next 10 tier,” after the top 5 of WASP and Bowdoin, there is no question that Harvey Mudd and CMC — and several other schools— are ahead of Middlebury.

As a parent, you should be more concerned about Middlebury staying in that “next 10” than proclaiming about CMC’s status there, which — unlike Midd — is very secure. With Middlebury’s perpetual “overenrollment,” the permanent decline in study abroad, and Midd’s now taking 70% of its class ED, it is quickly headed in the direction of Bates and Colby. Not good.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Middlebury's ranking so low? I would've thought it would be t10.

With or without the military academies, which have no place on a SLAC list (and they are also larger than SLACs)?
Anyhow, big drop off after WASP and Bowdoin.
After that drop off, Middlebury is in the next tier of 10 schools, which I really would not distinguish from each other, prestige-wise: Carleton, Wellesley, Wesleyan, Barnard, Davidson, W&L, Vassar, Harvey Mudd, and Claremont McKenna.

I would probably include these in the next tier: Smith, Hamilton, Haverford, Colgate, Colby, Bates etc.

Big drop off? Middlebury is better than Swarthmore and Pomona for finance outcomes, and Harvey Mudd is the best undergrad STEM school in the country. Claremont has some of the best all around outcomes, even better than WASP, and is ranked higher on the Forbes outcomes than all except Williams.

Just because you or someone you knew couldn’t get into these schools does not mean you should massively underrate them. Have a good day.

Even students at Claremont acknowledge Pomona’s superiority. You are also arguing that there is no WASP.

Good luck with all that!

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Nonsense, CMC is an outstanding school. This type of crap is just annoying.

Middlebury parent.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier: SWAP+Bowdoin + Wellesley

Next tier includes Middlebury, Varsar, Hamilton, Carleton, CMC

So wrong. Claremont McKenna is first tier, and significantly better than Swarthmore and Bowdoin in outcomes, and Middlebury is not far behind either.

Vassar is around third tier.

Rankings aren't just about finance career outcomes; it’s overall excellence, which is something CMC struggles with.

Well said. Business school and computer science degrees is job training and does not help to cultivate critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely one of the top 10.

Schools like Carleton Harvey Mudd are largely irrelevant but ranked higher.

Others have commented on why the Carleton dig is misplaced, but including HMC in an attempt to boost Middlebury is also an interesting choice! That's probably the top undergraduate-focused school for STEM in the entire country. Says so much about PP and Middlebury!

Lots of trade schools rejects go to HMC. If you want engineering, go to a proper school like Georgia tech or Cal!

What trade school reject is looking to spend their years doing calc, physics, bio, and chem. It has one of the most intense core curriculums in the nation, so those trade school rejects are quite smart.

Smart ones go to MIT, CMU, Georgia tech to challenge themselves. Just saying.

Can you work a little harder with your trolling, it’s pretty bad.

Yeah yeah. You can’t refute my points — you were not even going to try.

Because you didn’t make a point. You didn’t present cross admit data, so it’s just you listing off schools you like. Harvey Mudd is an objectively high competitive institution with a rigorous core. If you want to learn more: https://www.hmc.edu/academics/common-core-curriculum/

Common core, just like high school all over again. This is an outdated model.
Smart kids thrive in environment that allows them to do big things. Do you know how many students found start-ups in MIT, CMU, Georgia tech?

The idea of a liberal arts education arose with the realization that with power (in the form of voting) comes responsibility (to be capable of sound judgement.) Voters were expected to be educated in the humanities, arts, math, logic, and sciences, as doing so developed the reasoning and perspective considered prerequisite for influencing civic affairs.

It’s kind of ironic some today question the value of even top colleges ensuring exposure to breadth of study given the recent election. The notion anyone, elite student or regular Joe, is best served getting exposure just to what they like most is part of what got us in this mess. Yes, our top schools lean left, but too often they produce graduates trained to speak only to the like minded and thinking they know more than they do. When a student is surprised they learned useful things and actually enjoyed some class they wouldn’t have taken if the college hadn’t required it, they just might learn a more abstract lesson on being open to meaningfully connecting with something/someone they thought they shared little with.

Middlebury name recognition in the NYC and Boston area is ridiculous, super strong alumni network. “Middlebury Mafia” on Wall Street.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is Middlebury's ranking so low? I would've thought it would be t10.

With or without the military academies, which have no place on a SLAC list (and they are also larger than SLACs)?
Anyhow, big drop off after WASP and Bowdoin.
After that drop off, Middlebury is in the next tier of 10 schools, which I really would not distinguish from each other, prestige-wise: Carleton, Wellesley, Wesleyan, Barnard, Davidson, W&L, Vassar, Harvey Mudd, and Claremont McKenna.

I would probably include these in the next tier: Smith, Hamilton, Haverford, Colgate, Colby, Bates etc.

Big drop off? Middlebury is better than Swarthmore and Pomona for finance outcomes, and Harvey Mudd is the best undergrad STEM school in the country. Claremont has some of the best all around outcomes, even better than WASP, and is ranked higher on the Forbes outcomes than all except Williams.

Just because you or someone you knew couldn’t get into these schools does not mean you should massively underrate them. Have a good day.