Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 11:04     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.


Again, tell us what elected officials should do here. The land was purchased legally, under existing zoning. What mechanism do you want County Council to use. Be specific.


OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND STAND UP FOR CHILDREN.

Is that specific enough for you?


And say what exactly when they open their mouths?

WE’RE REALLY UPSET YOU UTILIZED THIS LOOPHOLE IN OUR ZONING LAWS AND YOU BETTER BEHAVE!!!!

The delusions of the power of local government to put this cart back into the barn is off the charts.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 10:57     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.


Again, tell us what elected officials should do here. The land was purchased legally, under existing zoning. What mechanism do you want County Council to use. Be specific.


OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND STAND UP FOR CHILDREN.


Is that specific enough for you?


NP. No it’s not. What should they do. Again, everything was done in accordance with the law. There is no power to retroactively undo this.

And while people are afraid, there really isn’t anything that people have said beyond their own worries that anyone has pointed to as dangerous. There are group homes all around, maybe even in your neighborhood, that people don’t even know exist.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 10:32     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.


Exactly! The idea that the people upset and speaking about the issue are the main problem rather than the public officials and the systems that failed to prevent this from happening is mind boggling.


Yes, so much gaslighting going on
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 09:30     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.


Exactly! The idea that the people upset and speaking about the issue are the main problem rather than the public officials and the systems that failed to prevent this from happening is mind boggling.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 09:29     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.


Again, tell us what elected officials should do here. The land was purchased legally, under existing zoning. What mechanism do you want County Council to use. Be specific.


OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND STAND UP FOR CHILDREN.


Is that specific enough for you?
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 09:28     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.


Again, tell us what elected officials should do here. The land was purchased legally, under existing zoning. What mechanism do you want County Council to use. Be specific.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 09:26     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.



If this goes unchecked it will happen again. Once it opens, it will be the “norm”.

Montgomery County will never swoop in. They don’t care about children which is why they let this happen and why Dawn Ludtke could care less.

Advocacy is not called “antagonizing county officials”. It is advocacy to people not doing their job.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 08:36     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

The bottom line is this company was sharp. They figured out the loophole in the zoning laws. They targeted these properties. They closed on the deal. There’s literally nothing that can be done retroactively. That’s called smart business. Any lawsuit to try to get some sort of injunction is just burning money.

IMO, all this vitriol and energy needs to be re-focused on: (1) making sure this doesn’t happen again; (2) enforcing any HOA covenants if possible; and (3) making sure this facility toes the line once it opens and making sure the County is prepared to swoop in with quick and harsh enforcement if not. Antagonizing county officials now when there is literally nothing that can be done is wasting political capital.

Yes, it was wildly inappropriate for the owners of this business to build near a school. But they took advantage of the zoning in place for that site, saw an opportunity, and pounced.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 07:39     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“I am more concerned with physical violence between students at the schools” -Dawn Ludke


Unbelievable.

She couldn’t care less about the students or the voters who live Nextdoor.

This county council lacks commonsense and prioritizes developers/businesses (like this Florida-based business) over residents and kids.


An addiction facility prioritizes the community. You don't think we have addicts right here? They are much more likely to hurt people while actively using. Give them a chance to heal in a skilled facility.

And yeah, I agree with Dawn. The violence against kids in schools is a much bigger issue than a 16 bed facility. But I guess that doesn't (yet?) affect your home values the way you think this facility will.


Greenwood is a sweet little school in a small neighborhood. There’s no violence happening among the students.

The Florida-based business isn’t entitled to turn a profit by running a large scale facility next to a school. They can put it somewhere else…like two minutes up the road on farmland.



Look, you keep saying "Florida based business" like it is going to change the zoning laws by power of invocation. If you want political support (either from elected officials or those of us reading this thread), tell us how the County can retroactively rezone land that has already been sold, and not end up at the losing end of a multi-million dollar lawsuit.
Anonymous
Post 03/25/2025 07:37     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“I am more concerned with physical violence between students at the schools” -Dawn Ludke


Unbelievable.

She couldn’t care less about the students or the voters who live Nextdoor.

This county council lacks commonsense and prioritizes developers/businesses (like this Florida-based business) over residents and kids.


An addiction facility prioritizes the community. You don't think we have addicts right here? They are much more likely to hurt people while actively using. Give them a chance to heal in a skilled facility.

And yeah, I agree with Dawn. The violence against kids in schools is a much bigger issue than a 16 bed facility. But I guess that doesn't (yet?) affect your home values the way you think this facility will.


Greenwood is a sweet little school in a small neighborhood. There’s no violence happening among the students.

The Florida-based business isn’t entitled to turn a profit by running a large scale facility next to a school. They can put it somewhere else…like two minutes up the road on farmland.



All of health care makes a profit in this county.
Anonymous
Post 03/24/2025 21:48     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So am I correct that under MoCo zoning laws, there is literally nothing that can be done to stop this project aside from asking the owners of the company who have already bought the properties and invested money in their redevelopment to pretty please reconsider?

Seems like a waste of political capital to go after Luedtke and try to stop the project. That ship seems to have sailed. Seems like a better way would be to make life miserable for the owners once they open for business. Every little violation of any ordinance, call it in to 311. It’ll get them caught up in permit hell the next time their permits are up and they try to renew.


Actually, that's a good conversation to have. How to ensure this facility is a good neighbor and not disruptive to the neighborhood.


Facilities aren’t neighbors—they are a business.

The severely mentally ill patients with addiction issues will be the neighbors. And they’ll be wandering around the area. It’s not a lockdown facility. And it’s a pretty long walk from area shopping centers. The path to the shopping centers literally cuts through the school property.
Anonymous
Post 03/24/2025 21:45     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“I am more concerned with physical violence between students at the schools” -Dawn Ludke


Unbelievable.

She couldn’t care less about the students or the voters who live Nextdoor.

This county council lacks commonsense and prioritizes developers/businesses (like this Florida-based business) over residents and kids.


An addiction facility prioritizes the community. You don't think we have addicts right here? They are much more likely to hurt people while actively using. Give them a chance to heal in a skilled facility.

And yeah, I agree with Dawn. The violence against kids in schools is a much bigger issue than a 16 bed facility. But I guess that doesn't (yet?) affect your home values the way you think this facility will.


Greenwood is a sweet little school in a small neighborhood. There’s no violence happening among the students.

The Florida-based business isn’t entitled to turn a profit by running a large scale facility next to a school. They can put it somewhere else…like two minutes up the road on farmland.

Anonymous
Post 03/24/2025 21:42     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:So am I correct that under MoCo zoning laws, there is literally nothing that can be done to stop this project aside from asking the owners of the company who have already bought the properties and invested money in their redevelopment to pretty please reconsider?

Seems like a waste of political capital to go after Luedtke and try to stop the project. That ship seems to have sailed. Seems like a better way would be to make life miserable for the owners once they open for business. Every little violation of any ordinance, call it in to 311. It’ll get them caught up in permit hell the next time their permits are up and they try to renew.


Actually, that's a good conversation to have. How to ensure this facility is a good neighbor and not disruptive to the neighborhood.
Anonymous
Post 03/24/2025 21:40     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“I am more concerned with physical violence between students at the schools” -Dawn Ludke


Unbelievable.

She couldn’t care less about the students or the voters who live Nextdoor.

This county council lacks commonsense and prioritizes developers/businesses (like this Florida-based business) over residents and kids.


An addiction facility prioritizes the community. You don't think we have addicts right here? They are much more likely to hurt people while actively using. Give them a chance to heal in a skilled facility.

And yeah, I agree with Dawn. The violence against kids in schools is a much bigger issue than a 16 bed facility. But I guess that doesn't (yet?) affect your home values the way you think this facility will.
Anonymous
Post 03/24/2025 21:30     Subject: Petition about residential treatment ctr by Greenwood Elementary

Anonymous wrote:Tweet at Trump. Or Fox News.

This is the sort of crazy left wing stuff they love to criticize.

Of course, MoCo would likely double down out of spite.

And it is a Florida-based company that is running the facility.

Has the community hired a lawyer? You can’t fight this without one.


Agreed, the neighborhood needs to file lawsuits against the business and the county