Anonymous wrote:Education. There is already a shortage of teachers. Those out of a job will flock to teaching for stability, steady income (of course it will be a huge cut for most) and benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

To regain some perspective, I read headlines at newspapers in other major cities. Aside from reminding me that journalism is nearly entirely dead, this does let me know that the DC-area concerns are indeed different from those across the nation.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I lived through a collapse of the federal govt in USSR in 90's. It was ugly for everyone and will affect all of us because things provided by a stable government are not that easily visible until they become unavailable. Most people are just so "me, me, me" focused and lack any sort of historic perspective on how bad this shit can get if we let wealthy widen the wealth gap to the point were we live in a sort of Dickensian future. Go read Dickens or Steinbeck if you think it can never get bad in the western world. Bottom is limitless! "Boar on the floor" game, anyone!

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

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Anonymous wrote:Local law enforcement. As society slowly unravels more will be needed.

Local law enforcement officers are government employees paid by tax dollars. The federal DOGE mess will trickle down to the state and local levels as they lose tax revenue and federal funding. What will happen is that people will have to hire private security guards and more neighborhoods will become gated communities. Look at other countries where this is commonplace.

It’s gonna get ugly.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a private investigator whose primary clients are hedge funds. Business is very good for now. My wife works in PR; her clients are primarily corporations.

+1. My DH is a law firm partner whose clients are the above. Even if some clients leave/shrink/disappear, that's highly unlikely to happen to all of them.

If courts are successfully destroyed as per step 3 of Curtis Yarvin's plan, lawyers become unnecessary.

You do know that 99% of lawyers have nothing to do with courts right? They work with private clients.

I wouldn't count on it. If you cut the regulators, then presumably you don't need the consultants and law firms defending private companies on the other side. There's no IRS or EPA or SEC or DOJ to pursue enforcement actions and no need for law firms and consultants to represent companies doing that work. I actually think it could be terrible for law firms.

This is what people don’t seem to understand. There are whole practice groups built around regulations that have been frozen.

IN DC. You're again losing sight of what is happening in the vast majority of the country, where lawyers just do stuff like close real estate sales.

What houses are all these lawyers going to help close on? Existing home sales are down because of high mortgage rates. The Fed isn’t going to lower rates at its next meeting and even if they did, it’s unlikely to impact high mortgage rates.

This is actually a really interesting article about Federal Reserve rates and its impact on mortgages. https://www.investopedia.com/heres-what-markets-now-predict-for-2025-fed-rate-cuts-and-what-it-could-mean-for-mortgage-rates-11686953

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a private investigator whose primary clients are hedge funds. Business is very good for now. My wife works in PR; her clients are primarily corporations.

+1. My DH is a law firm partner whose clients are the above. Even if some clients leave/shrink/disappear, that's highly unlikely to happen to all of them.

If courts are successfully destroyed as per step 3 of Curtis Yarvin's plan, lawyers become unnecessary.

You do know that 99% of lawyers have nothing to do with courts right? They work with private clients.

I wouldn't count on it. If you cut the regulators, then presumably you don't need the consultants and law firms defending private companies on the other side. There's no IRS or EPA or SEC or DOJ to pursue enforcement actions and no need for law firms and consultants to represent companies doing that work. I actually think it could be terrible for law firms.

This is what people don’t seem to understand. There are whole practice groups built around regulations that have been frozen.

IN DC. You're again losing sight of what is happening in the vast majority of the country, where lawyers just do stuff like close real estate sales.

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a private investigator whose primary clients are hedge funds. Business is very good for now. My wife works in PR; her clients are primarily corporations.

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Anonymous wrote:Look I am as anti Trump as they get and some of you have just gone over the edge with the paranoia.

+1 reminds me of the beginning of COVID.

Yes, exactly.