So GFR is going to be ECNL? When is the McLean announcement happening?

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Anonymous wrote:Again, another reinforcement that there is no player development at any level around here. Not knocking it or even hoping that anything changes, people are knocking Mclean for their decision but if this rumor is true, they're looking to buy into another league that they believe will workout for their recruiting in the future.

No clubs develop, this is all about showcasing and recruiting, and if this is true, Mclean is hedging their bets on GA.

There’s no player development around here, but there’s player development in other parts of the country? Get a life, man. What a ridiculous thing to say. All of the great players out of this area just get better magically and through personal trainers?

Show me a modern day homegrown talent on the girls side that went through a club from u little to where they are now from around here? Highly doubt you'll find one. It just doesn't happen her in the states. It might happen elsewhere, certainly not here, and it's certainly not the norm.

Has anybody watched the Pulisic doc? There's no Dortmund equivalent here.

Look at the 3 local 2007 National Teamers. All played locally with their club the whole time.

And with how much this area changes, you're confident that the clubs they were with could continue to do the same?

Aren't we talking, Union, VDA, FCV?

Those three clubs aren't the same now as they were.

Just answered the question asked, that's all. Didn't make predictions about the future - which I think you're right about. But I do think VDA will still keep producing them, if only becuase of their "in" with BP.

Depends on how long he lasts there.

BP even loved to claim Emily Fox, but she was part of the real legacy FCV with TF.

He's certainly connected, don't get me wrong, but as a person/individual/human being, BP is not easy to deal with.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, another reinforcement that there is no player development at any level around here. Not knocking it or even hoping that anything changes, people are knocking Mclean for their decision but if this rumor is true, they're looking to buy into another league that they believe will workout for their recruiting in the future.

No clubs develop, this is all about showcasing and recruiting, and if this is true, Mclean is hedging their bets on GA.

There’s no player development around here, but there’s player development in other parts of the country? Get a life, man. What a ridiculous thing to say. All of the great players out of this area just get better magically and through personal trainers?

Show me a modern day homegrown talent on the girls side that went through a club from u little to where they are now from around here? Highly doubt you'll find one. It just doesn't happen her in the states. It might happen elsewhere, certainly not here, and it's certainly not the norm.

Has anybody watched the Pulisic doc? There's no Dortmund equivalent here.

Look at the 3 local 2007 National Teamers. All played locally with their club the whole time.

And with how much this area changes, you're confident that the clubs they were with could continue to do the same?

Aren't we talking, Union, VDA, FCV?

Those three clubs aren't the same now as they were.

Just answered the question asked, that's all. Didn't make predictions about the future - which I think you're right about. But I do think VDA will still keep producing them, if only becuase of their "in" with BP.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, another reinforcement that there is no player development at any level around here. Not knocking it or even hoping that anything changes, people are knocking Mclean for their decision but if this rumor is true, they're looking to buy into another league that they believe will workout for their recruiting in the future.

No clubs develop, this is all about showcasing and recruiting, and if this is true, Mclean is hedging their bets on GA.

There’s no player development around here, but there’s player development in other parts of the country? Get a life, man. What a ridiculous thing to say. All of the great players out of this area just get better magically and through personal trainers?

Show me a modern day homegrown talent on the girls side that went through a club from u little to where they are now from around here? Highly doubt you'll find one. It just doesn't happen her in the states. It might happen elsewhere, certainly not here, and it's certainly not the norm.

Has anybody watched the Pulisic doc? There's no Dortmund equivalent here.

Emily Fox comes to mind.

For a player to be “developed”, the development had to occur at a single club? You’re clueless.

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Did Coppermine just announce the news with this post😂😂😂

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Anonymous wrote:Again, another reinforcement that there is no player development at any level around here. Not knocking it or even hoping that anything changes, people are knocking Mclean for their decision but if this rumor is true, they're looking to buy into another league that they believe will workout for their recruiting in the future.

No clubs develop, this is all about showcasing and recruiting, and if this is true, Mclean is hedging their bets on GA.

There’s no player development around here, but there’s player development in other parts of the country? Get a life, man. What a ridiculous thing to say. All of the great players out of this area just get better magically and through personal trainers?

Show me a modern day homegrown talent on the girls side that went through a club from u little to where they are now from around here? Highly doubt you'll find one. It just doesn't happen her in the states. It might happen elsewhere, certainly not here, and it's certainly not the norm.

Has anybody watched the Pulisic doc? There's no Dortmund equivalent here.

It's not "the norm" anywhere really. Yes, some players stay with one club from youth to senior level but it isn't like it is the only way in Europe. Plenty of players leave a club for another, perhaps "better club" during youth level football.

As this is about girls I will show you some professional players, all internationals for their respective countries, who have moved clubs.

Arsenal:
Chloe Kelly
Caitlin Foord
Alessia Russo
Daphne Van Domselaar
Leah Williamson

Chelsea:
Willie Bright
Sophie Ingle
Catarina Macario
Oriane Jean-François
Hannah Hampton
Lucy Bronze
Sam Kerr

Manchester City
Laid Aleixandrei
Vivienne Miedema
Mary Fowler
Lauren Hemp
Leila Ouahabi
Laura Blindkilde-Brown


This is only from three of the biggest women's clubs in England. Not all of these women are English. It is common in all countries for girls to try and find somewhere that better suits them. It's not a U.S. thing. It happens everywhere. Staying at one club from a youngster to senior level happens but it is not as common as you think in other parts of the world.

Well, there you go. Perhaps parents should stop looking at clubs as places for development, a huge part of the puzzle is the individual. Part of it is a club but it's more on the individual.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, another reinforcement that there is no player development at any level around here. Not knocking it or even hoping that anything changes, people are knocking Mclean for their decision but if this rumor is true, they're looking to buy into another league that they believe will workout for their recruiting in the future.

No clubs develop, this is all about showcasing and recruiting, and if this is true, Mclean is hedging their bets on GA.

There’s no player development around here, but there’s player development in other parts of the country? Get a life, man. What a ridiculous thing to say. All of the great players out of this area just get better magically and through personal trainers?

Show me a modern day homegrown talent on the girls side that went through a club from u little to where they are now from around here? Highly doubt you'll find one. It just doesn't happen her in the states. It might happen elsewhere, certainly not here, and it's certainly not the norm.

Has anybody watched the Pulisic doc? There's no Dortmund equivalent here.

It's not "the norm" anywhere really. Yes, some players stay with one club from youth to senior level but it isn't like it is the only way in Europe. Plenty of players leave a club for another, perhaps "better club" during youth level football.

As this is about girls I will show you some professional players, all internationals for their respective countries, who have moved clubs.

Arsenal:
Chloe Kelly
Caitlin Foord
Alessia Russo
Daphne Van Domselaar
Leah Williamson

Chelsea:
Willie Bright
Sophie Ingle
Catarina Macario
Oriane Jean-François
Hannah Hampton
Lucy Bronze
Sam Kerr

Manchester City
Laid Aleixandrei
Vivienne Miedema
Mary Fowler
Lauren Hemp
Leila Ouahabi
Laura Blindkilde-Brown


This is only from three of the biggest women's clubs in England. Not all of these women are English. It is common in all countries for girls to try and find somewhere that better suits them. It's not a U.S. thing. It happens everywhere. Staying at one club from a youngster to senior level happens but it is not as common as you think in other parts of the world.

Anonymous wrote:McLean didn’t like what ECNL forced down their throat so they are leaving to get control back. Also makes ECNL league look like a bully to clubs. I doubt ga will do much better. As previous poster said, no development of players. This ultimately is about money and business. County governments should take back control of all public facilities and use them only for recreational leagues. Tax payers should not subsidize the development of private profit making non profits.

Ultimately the question would be what is the purpose of a McLean move? They don't have "their" girls side anymore as its part of the partnership, so they will be essentially rebuilding:
- GA offers a softer landing spot in a lower end conference
- If they can put together something average they will begin winning, thus improving public perception of their club/brand
- They will look to build from there

However, lets say all of that does occur, in 5+ years what does the college landscape look like (no one knows, it may not even exist at this rate) in terms of recruiting. The numbers shift more towards ECNL every year (for the pure numbers check out @imyouthsoccer on X), so will college recruiting opportunities dwindle? Or will the GA be able to pull in some bigger names, and then establish a small but notable foothold (its a gamble).

If your goal is to improve the program with the McLean name in the hopes of getting back into ECNL as a solo act eventually? That will be dead forever leaving ECNL now. It is a huge gamble on a league who has lost a ton of its high performing clubs over the last four years (there are reasons for that, if they were doing a good job they simply wouldn't have lost that many).

Anonymous wrote:Betting on the possibility that GA overcomes ECNL and their boys also somehow advance out of mlsn2. A long shot for both to happen but they must see it better than having 1/3 of an ECNL club that they essentially had no control over.

Agree with the last part of your post. On the girls MYS doesn't care if GA overcomes ECNL. They just want their own Tier 1 pathway. Buffy and Muffy Vanderschmere from Mclean want their girls going to Wellesley or Dartmouth not Florida St. or Arkansas. GA is sufficient for that. On the boys JH probably has as agreement with MLS Next on what it will take to get to Tier 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, another reinforcement that there is no player development at any level around here. Not knocking it or even hoping that anything changes, people are knocking Mclean for their decision but if this rumor is true, they're looking to buy into another league that they believe will workout for their recruiting in the future.

No clubs develop, this is all about showcasing and recruiting, and if this is true, Mclean is hedging their bets on GA.

There’s no player development around here, but there’s player development in other parts of the country? Get a life, man. What a ridiculous thing to say. All of the great players out of this area just get better magically and through personal trainers?

Show me a modern day homegrown talent on the girls side that went through a club from u little to where they are now from around here? Highly doubt you'll find one. It just doesn't happen her in the states. It might happen elsewhere, certainly not here, and it's certainly not the norm.

Has anybody watched the Pulisic doc? There's no Dortmund equivalent here.

Look at the 3 local 2007 National Teamers. All played locally with their club the whole time.

And with how much this area changes, you're confident that the clubs they were with could continue to do the same?

Aren't we talking, Union, VDA, FCV?

Those three clubs aren't the same now as they were.

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Anonymous wrote:Betting on the possibility that GA overcomes ECNL and their boys also somehow advance out of mlsn2. A long shot for both to happen but they must see it better than having 1/3 of an ECNL club that they essentially had no control over.

That and if Girls Academy is indeed establishing a true 2nd tier like MLSN2, that will for certain be significantly better than the RL/VPSL around here that is just stagnant and not fun to watch.

How would GA2 be better is the question? No one from GA or ECNL will drop into that, so if that assumption is correct, you are talking about membership just being a re-muddle of current clubs 2nd teams, or a swap between a lower end RL team for example. Is that going to be better somehow? I don't see how if its the same people doing the same dance.

RL around here isn't much different than NCSL, this will be dependent on if Aspire will be implementing substitution rules for league play. Soccer with unlimited substitutions is garbage, especially after they hit the full field.

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Anonymous wrote:Betting on the possibility that GA overcomes ECNL and their boys also somehow advance out of mlsn2. A long shot for both to happen but they must see it better than having 1/3 of an ECNL club that they essentially had no control over.

That and if Girls Academy is indeed establishing a true 2nd tier like MLSN2, that will for certain be significantly better than the RL/VPSL around here that is just stagnant and not fun to watch.

How would GA2 be better is the question? No one from GA or ECNL will drop into that, so if that assumption is correct, you are talking about membership just being a re-muddle of current clubs 2nd teams, or a swap between a lower end RL team for example. Is that going to be better somehow? I don't see how if its the same people doing the same dance.

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Anonymous wrote:What does McLean leaving mean for FVU?

It means rats will jump the sinking ship and look for a new home.

Why will it be sinking?

Every Pre-ECNL girls family on Mclean that thought their daughter was going to be on an ECNL team will now have to settle for a 2nd tier GA team? They will ASPIRE to jump ship and leave.

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Anonymous wrote:What does McLean leaving mean for FVU?

It means rats will jump the sinking ship and look for a new home.

Why will it be sinking?

Anonymous wrote:What does McLean leaving mean for FVU?

It means rats will jump the sinking ship and look for a new home.