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Anonymous wrote:They are a major draw for international tourists so we are turning away a ton of money. Also lots of Americans who would have vacationed at home in US will say f— it and go to someplace else.

That's part of the plan. To ruin the economy.

Yes, they are doing this to ruin the economy so they can take over even more.

Read Curtis Yarvin and Project 2025.

"or over a decade, Yarvin, an ex-computer programmer-turned-blogger, has argued that American democracy is irrevocably broken and ought to be replaced with a monarchy styled after a Silicon Valley tech start-up. According to Yarvin, the time has come to jettison existing democratic institutions and concentrate political power in a single “chief executive” or “dictator.” These ideas — which Yarvin calls “neo-reaction” or “the Dark Enlightenment” — were once confined to the fringes of the internet, but now, with Trump’s reelection, they are finding a newly powerful audience in Washington."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552

They want Americans poor and uneducated so the Tech bros/ billionaire owned companies can hire cheap, desperate American labor and then import the smart employees from abroad on HB1 visas.

Wasn’t pretty much the same thing happening during Covid? Bathrooms closed due to some absurd regulations?

Oh, also pp again to answer OP, the article said that people pooped on the ground next to the toilets and if froze. So, I don’t think anyone’s bringing poop bags, or god forbid, taking waste and refuse home.

Anonymous wrote:The NpS thing is such a head scratcher for me.
Unlike IRS, these aren’t folks doing work repugnant to the Trump folks.
They make almost no money and are in fact probably money generators considering the fees people pay to enter the park plus money spent on books and stuff.
I wonder if companies like Aramark that own some of the big concessions are considering suing for material breach. They are going to take a hit on their reservations this year if people think the parks will be jacked up due to insufficient staffing — and if the parks have to actually close doors that would almost certainly be a breach.

I’m pp, it said in the article that local businesses love not having admissions for Yosemite. Aramark must be included, and I’ve read before that the park hates them. They seem scummy. It’s because hordes of people, 20k per day, descend on the park. It sounds like a college that has town/gown issues. It drives businesses, but it ruins the park. However, we weren’t in a recession then, so that might change the calculus of drive more people to go to the park, leave their overflowing trash and go home, smug that rangers weren’t telling them to stay on the trails.

The NpS thing is such a head scratcher for me.
Unlike IRS, these aren’t folks doing work repugnant to the Trump folks.
They make almost no money and are in fact probably money generators considering the fees people pay to enter the park plus money spent on books and stuff.
I wonder if companies like Aramark that own some of the big concessions are considering suing for material breach. They are going to take a hit on their reservations this year if people think the parks will be jacked up due to insufficient staffing — and if the parks have to actually close doors that would almost certainly be a breach.

I read earlier today that when Trump closed the govt in his first term Yosemite was destroyed. Trash frozen to ground, people driving on meadows and/or unleashing pets on them, bears eating food left out. They’re worried about bears breaking into cars this year because they have no staff. If you have an emergency there, or if there’s a fire, prepare to save yourself!

Anonymous wrote:It goes beyond your summer vacation. This is wrecking the cultural and national heritage for future generations as well.

Thank you. This is what we need to be focused on.

Anonymous wrote:National parks are poor people vacations anyways.

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read on the travel forum.

Anonymous wrote:I have found the crowds at National Parks disincentivizing even in good years. I'm not sure they are for us until we can travel during the school year. And even then they may still be too crowded.

Agree- I went to many of them as a teen/20s and they were not the disasters they have been the past 5-7 years. I’ll wait til I retire to go to any more.

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Anonymous wrote:National parks are poor people vacations anyways.

Agree. And yes, even Yellowstone.

Are these two posts satire?

I guess people feel that natural beauty needs to have a stiff markup for access in order to keep out the poors.

Not sure what the upscale opposite is of a "National Park". Private game reserve? Like where Donnie Jr. shot the endangered duck in Italy a few weeks ago?

It tracks - look at the Trump women thread and all the fake green chemically-sprayed water-guzzling golf-coursification. There is zero understanding of the concept of “natural beauty”

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Anonymous wrote:The new admin exempted NPS from the hiring freeze the other day.

I don't think. Maybe they did for law enforcement but not all the other people who keep the park clean and help things run well.

I did not hear this. I know nps seasonal law enforcing workers who were told no job is waiting this summer. They were rescinded.

Most of these jobs are insanely low wages too. Like GS 3/gs5. I didn’t even know it went that low in fact. And many are part time.

DH was a park ranger for a while. All seasonal work, we moved from park to park every 4-8 months for years, getting paid peanuts. You were always thinking two posting ahead; ideally, when we'd move to a new park, we already had the next one nailed down and we're looking for where to go after that one. After a few years you can build enough connections that you have a decent idea of where you'll be hired for each season, but it takes a lot of work to build those relations. And all bets are off if there's major turnover in who does hiring.

DH finally secured a permanent spot after 5 years (in what most people would consider a VERY unglamorous spot, and not even in a national park! "Just" a park service unit in a remote-ish location). Two years after that he suffered a life-altering injury. While he probably could have continued, we decided to move to DC so I could go to grad school. DH moved into parks-related nonprofit advocacy work. Between those park ranger years and me then going to grad school, we didn't make much money until very recently. We're definitely poor by DCUM standards!

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Anonymous wrote:National parks are poor people vacations anyways.

This is the most ignorant comment I’ve read today.

Yes, very stupid. And when Dumpty policies bring back Covid and sidekick RFK Jr. brings on bird flu...and God knows what else..borders will close again ... and Ms. Poor Mocker here will wish she could go to such a park.

NP. She’ll just post something on FB about Sleepy Joe and then drink a cup of bleach, it’s fine

Also...

Yarvin is skeptical that Trump can actually carry out the type of regime change that he envisions, but he told me that there are signs the new administration is serious about concentrating power in the executive branch. We spoke before the Trump administration announced a sweeping freeze on federal aid programs, but he pointed to the coming fight over impoundment as a key test of the new administration’s willingness to push the bounds of executive authority. And he detected a newfound confidence and aggressiveness in Trump’s GOP.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552

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Anonymous wrote:They are a major draw for international tourists so we are turning away a ton of money. Also lots of Americans who would have vacationed at home in US will say f— it and go to someplace else.

That's part of the plan. To ruin the economy.

Yes, they are doing this to ruin the economy so they can take over even more.

Read Curtis Yarvin and Project 2025.

"or over a decade, Yarvin, an ex-computer programmer-turned-blogger, has argued that American democracy is irrevocably broken and ought to be replaced with a monarchy styled after a Silicon Valley tech start-up. According to Yarvin, the time has come to jettison existing democratic institutions and concentrate political power in a single “chief executive” or “dictator.” These ideas — which Yarvin calls “neo-reaction” or “the Dark Enlightenment” — were once confined to the fringes of the internet, but now, with Trump’s reelection, they are finding a newly powerful audience in Washington."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552

I have no desire to be in a crowded national park feeling like a zoo nor in filth which will be over depressing when in a scenic natural habitat so I'm def avoiding all natural parks. Good thing we've seen most of the ones we really wanted to see at least once however.

Better go abroad before the hatred for Americans becomes palatable and/or Trump makes it dicey to travel to/from certain countries.