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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

The 3d party candidate, Jill Stein, is partially responsible for this mess. Just look at the Dearborn, MI district. She peeled off enough votes to hand it to Trump. So F her and those that voted for her.

You are part of the problem.

I'm not actually. It seems YOU are though.

DP at least James Carvllle and Van Jones could read the room. The rest of the party remains blind and tone deaf, so here we are.

You're talking about a very small percentage of the party in leadership and message crafting positions. The overwhelming majority of people that consider themselves Dems agree with Carville and Jones.

The point was about the leadership. They steer the ship and the rest can’t do much except on Election Day. So, the point stands that the party has been ignoring Carville and Jones to our detriment.

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

The 3d party candidate, Jill Stein, is partially responsible for this mess. Just look at the Dearborn, MI district. She peeled off enough votes to hand it to Trump. So F her and those that voted for her.

You are part of the problem.

I'm not actually. It seems YOU are though.

DP at least James Carvllle and Van Jones could read the room. The rest of the party remains blind and tone deaf, so here we are.

You're talking about a very small percentage of the party in leadership and message crafting positions. The overwhelming majority of people that consider themselves Dems agree with Carville and Jones.

The point was about the leadership. They steer the ship and the rest can’t do much except on Election Day. So, the point stands that the party has been ignoring Carville and Jones to our detriment.

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

The 3d party candidate, Jill Stein, is partially responsible for this mess. Just look at the Dearborn, MI district. She peeled off enough votes to hand it to Trump. So F her and those that voted for her.

You are part of the problem.

I'm not actually. It seems YOU are though.

DP at least James Carvllle and Van Jones could read the room. The rest of the party remains blind and tone deaf, so here we are.

You're talking about a very small percentage of the party in leadership and message crafting positions. The overwhelming majority of people that consider themselves Dems agree with Carville and Jones.

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

The 3d party candidate, Jill Stein, is partially responsible for this mess. Just look at the Dearborn, MI district. She peeled off enough votes to hand it to Trump. So F her and those that voted for her.

You are part of the problem.

I'm not actually. It seems YOU are though.

DP at least James Carvllle and Van Jones could read the room. The rest of the party remains blind and tone deaf, so here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

The 3d party candidate, Jill Stein, is partially responsible for this mess. Just look at the Dearborn, MI district. She peeled off enough votes to hand it to Trump. So F her and those that voted for her.

You are part of the problem.

I'm not actually. It seems YOU are though.

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Anonymous wrote:What we need is open primaries and ranked choice voting.

A third party under the current system simply can’t prevail and will only split the vote of the more moderate side, increasing the likelihood for the worst candidate to win (which in the current political reality means MAGA).

The structure of closed primaries has a built-in tendency to push party candidates to the extremes. Republicans choose between those who are somewhat right to far right, while Democrats choose from somewhat left to far left. As each sides average position gets moved further from the center, moderates are more likely to feel alienated from the party and consider themselves independents. Unfortunately, closed primaries leave independents without a voice in picking the candidates, forcing them to choose the lesser of two evils in the general election from those candidates nominated by partisans. Moreover, one of Trump’s biggest levers has been the threat of having any member of Congress who opposed him primaried out. If independents were able to vote in those primaries, you might have seen a little more bravery from Congress.

Ranked choice voting would allow voters to choose from a field of candidates. It might also give candidates the freedom to stray from party lines on issues. Imagine a Republican candidate who was for universal healthcare and gun control, or a Democrat who spoke against the excesses of DEI and was willing to examine their stance on trans issues.

The two parties are so ossified that neither side is really problem-solving, they’re just digging themselves deeper into entrenched positions, prioritizing talking points over practicalities. This leaves America to flounder between the two sides - never moving forward, just getting tossed back and forth.

Of course most American people would support ranked choice voting. The problem is, it would require cooperation from GOP and Dem legislators and administrators on the state and fed levels to make such a significant change to election protocols. Those in power currently have set rules to make it difficult for their power to be challenged and they aren't going to make changes to status quo that bring about unpredictability and uncertainty.

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The powers that be determine status quo even in a democracy. There's money in a democracy that's used to get your way - those who don't get that are idiots. Democracy doesn't exist, not really. It's only legit in that there's no repercussions for doing what you dii ok but ultimately, your options exists because the powers that be allow those options.

The GOP and Dems have strong backing and do not want scales tipped to allow for someone - actual common folk - to decide who is in charge. A perfect example is Biden not being allowed to run before Hillary ran. Party comes before single candidates. Always.

The Constitution established a democratic republic.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With the republicans totally off the rails and trying to destroy this country and go against the constitution, and it seems people have little confidence in the Dems maybe it’s time for a 3rd party to emerge? I feel like at this time it can gain momentum. Maybe something more centrist but on the socially progressive side.

The 3d party candidate, Jill Stein, is partially responsible for this mess. Just look at the Dearborn, MI district. She peeled off enough votes to hand it to Trump. So F her and those that voted for her.

You are part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s absolutely time for a third party, to give centrist Dems someplace to go to get away from the leftie insanity that is driving the Democratic Party currently.

A party for Dems who are sick of the trans-craziness, the constant racializing everything, and knee-jerk opposition. But who still think the GOP is a dumpster fire.


Those people definitely need a new party.

Please post videos or any evidence of “trans-craziness.” This was 100% the GOP exaggerating. Yes, of course she is for LGBTQ rights but the only trans craziness in the campaign was GOP’s obsession.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we need is open primaries and ranked choice voting.

A third party under the current system simply can’t prevail and will only split the vote of the more moderate side, increasing the likelihood for the worst candidate to win (which in the current political reality means MAGA).

The structure of closed primaries has a built-in tendency to push party candidates to the extremes. Republicans choose between those who are somewhat right to far right, while Democrats choose from somewhat left to far left. As each sides average position gets moved further from the center, moderates are more likely to feel alienated from the party and consider themselves independents. Unfortunately, closed primaries leave independents without a voice in picking the candidates, forcing them to choose the lesser of two evils in the general election from those candidates nominated by partisans. Moreover, one of Trump’s biggest levers has been the threat of having any member of Congress who opposed him primaried out. If independents were able to vote in those primaries, you might have seen a little more bravery from Congress.

Ranked choice voting would allow voters to choose from a field of candidates. It might also give candidates the freedom to stray from party lines on issues. Imagine a Republican candidate who was for universal healthcare and gun control, or a Democrat who spoke against the excesses of DEI and was willing to examine their stance on trans issues.

The two parties are so ossified that neither side is really problem-solving, they’re just digging themselves deeper into entrenched positions, prioritizing talking points over practicalities. This leaves America to flounder between the two sides - never moving forward, just getting tossed back and forth.

Of course most American people would support ranked choice voting. The problem is, it would require cooperation from GOP and Dem legislators and administrators on the state and fed levels to make such a significant change to election protocols. Those in power currently have set rules to make it difficult for their power to be challenged and they aren't going to make changes to status quo that bring about unpredictability and uncertainty.

+100

The powers that be determine status quo even in a democracy. There's money in a democracy that's used to get your way - those who don't get that are idiots. Democracy doesn't exist, not really. It's only legit in that there's no repercussions for doing what you dii ok but ultimately, your options exists because the powers that be allow those options.

The GOP and Dems have strong backing and do not want scales tipped to allow for someone - actual common folk - to decide who is in charge. A perfect example is Biden not being allowed to run before Hillary ran. Party comes before single candidates. Always.

Anonymous wrote:It’s absolutely time for a third party, to give centrist Dems someplace to go to get away from the leftie insanity that is driving the Democratic Party currently.

A party for Dems who are sick of the trans-craziness, the constant racializing everything, and knee-jerk opposition. But who still think the GOP is a dumpster fire.


Those people definitely need a new party.