Anonymous
02/18/2025 09:31
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.
Boeing would like a word.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 09:30
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Yes I am. I hope there are more people who are scared so we can have cheap tickets like when all the panickers stayed home.
During Covid that was nice.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 09:11
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.
Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents
and yet, no crashes. Amazing that.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:47
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Yes I am. I hope there are more people who are scared so we can have cheap tickets like when all the panickers stayed home.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:47
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.
Plenty of incidents during Biden administration. It’s so sad that many of us are incapable of critical thinking. We’d do much better as a county.
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/accident_incidents
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:44
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/notalawyer.bsky.social/post/3lifymjwv322v
Democrats won’t admit it, but my family’s economic outlook has gotten a LOT better since Trump took office. but what do I know? I don’t have a fancy economics degree, i’m just a regular guy who runs an airplane scrapyard.
Lol
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:39
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.
Do you have the data? I would love to see that.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:29
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
We also had 4 years of Biden and Pete at the helm of the US-DOT and FAA without a single major aircraft incident. We have had at least 5 since Trump took over and many are directly attributing to the layoffs and threats of firings taken on day 1.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:17
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
Enjoy your flights then! Nothing to see here.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 08:06
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
Not great, but same thing happened during last shutdown, when ATCs had to work without pay and some refused to show up. FAA slowed down the air traffic. Longer waits. I don’t recall any planes crushing.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 07:27
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Def not going to fly with this
https://www.theverge.com/news/614078/faa-air-traffic-control-spacex-elon-musk-layoff-staff-shortage
If I were a federal contractor, you know the big boys, I would be a little miffed that all of these plumb reform and software jobs are just being usurped by Musk instead of going through the normal procurement process. And how is to say the Amercian Taxpayer is getting the best value with Mush instead of competitive bidding with other firms like SAIC, Delloitte, PWC, Accenture etc?
The people laid off are not air traffic controllers. They are support personnel that clean the facilities, maintain equipment, etc. Not great if equipment starts breaking, but not an immediate threat to safety.
You think equipment breaking isn’t an immediate threat to safety?
Anonymous
02/18/2025 07:08
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Step 1: They gut the FAA.
Step 2: Therefore, the FAA can't do its job well because it was gutted.
Step 3: Therefore, they say "The FAA sucks, we have to privatize it." which is what Project 2025 wants to do.
They're manufacturing the crises for their end goal.
Exactly!! IF you haven't please carefully read PROJECT 2025
Anonymous
02/18/2025 07:06
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So far they fired some probationary employees, that’s all we know. ATCs have to be on the job training for 3 years before they get certified and become actual ATCs. So non of the actual ATCs can’t possibly be probationary. Also, ATCs are not eligible for the fork buyout because they are considered essential. What’s with all the fear mongering? Having said that, I don’t mind if you all stop flying. Looking forward to less crowded airports and flights.
What’s the plan when the overworked and stressed employees retire or quit?
this....they are already tired and overworked in that field.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 07:05
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
Anonymous wrote:
“Gifting this” makes me wish I was in an upside down plane right now.
Can we go back to speaking like normal people?
Sure when we have a normal president.
Anonymous
02/18/2025 06:40
Subject: Are you brave enough to fly?
From the WaPo: "Officials did not respond to questions about what air traffic control expertise SpaceX, which specializes in rocket launches, could bring to bear."
Feel safe now.
Feel safe now.