Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:42
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No more than progressives have empathy for conservatives (they don't).
Trump is behaving like a conservative equivalent of a progressive president. Funny how hysterical a lot of you are.
Logic fail x2
More bitterness, eh? Show me how progressives have empathy for conservatives and conservative viewpoints. After all, how can they if they believe they are on the "right side of history" and conservatives aren't.
It's why progressives are the most intolerant people around. The concept of empathy and progressives do not go hand in hand.
No this argument doesn’t work.
Progressives have empathy for people in situations they cannot help. Not for people who make mean spirited choices as a result. Not all bad choices are mean spirited.
However, Republicans do not view dropping out of high school and having five children with four different fathers as a “situation they cannot help.” These are poor decisions that warrant very little, if any, empathy.
But you will respond with, “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” We are considering the children, but subsidizing this behavior creates more issues, leading to generational poverty.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:40
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.
The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.
VS?
Versus actually having empathy. I simply do not believe Democrats as a group have empathy and compassion. I used to believe that, but no longer.
I find the Republicans somewhat refreshing in that respect. They don’t pretend they have empathy and compassion.
They’re just downright cruel. But, if that’s your thing.
The Republicans are downright cruel and honest about it. The Democrats are downright cruel and lie about it. They share their cruelty, but their methods for portraying it to others vary.
I’m definitely going to need examples of Dems cruelty.
God, where to start?
- Destroying the education of the most vulnerable students in the pandemic, leading to lifelong serious harm, in favor of trade unions that lobby for them. The data on the harm is incontrovertible, and after spring 2020, was known. Republicans showed more compassion for the most vulnerable children in the pandemic than Democrats did (and I say that as a registered Democrat in a blue state). The harms to those kids due to school closures will never be mitigated, and lives were not saved. The cynical ploy to buy party loyalty from the unions worked, and it’s obvious that’s what it was.
- Don’t even get me started on the grotesque harms promulgated on vulnerable women and children by the male supremacist movement known as trans rights. Medicalized transition of children — hotly defended and pushed by Democrats — is going to remembered in history the way lobotomies are (and that’s if it’s not remembered the way the Tuskegee poisonings/murders are).
- I live in a blue state and the progressive policies towards the homeless cannot be described as anything other than exceptionally cruel. Democrats push policies that have people die on the street.
- Defund the police is cruel, particularly as it tends to be pushed by wealthy white liberals who never have to live with the consequences.
I could go on and on and on.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:38
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just want our leaders to speak nicely to each other, to not cause drama, to be honest, and to look out for the American people and not corporations or themselves.
Right now MAGA is not this.
Says the party that calls republicans Nazis, garbage and weird.
Biden was so polite and dignified lol
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:35
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
I will add that while it was not a logical trend, it was HIGHLY, some would say OVERLY, empathetic.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:34
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
PP here. It was very quickly becoming a norm, at least in the professional circles I run in. Employers were encouraging it, adding links as to why it was important, etc. In fact, it very quickly became a marker of being an "empathetic" person versus not being an empathetic person, an ally, whatever. It's not empathy, its virtue signaling. I use this as just one example of the larger "issue" Rs have with how far things were pushed so quickly with regards to DEI and trans issues.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:33
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:I just want our leaders to speak nicely to each other, to not cause drama, to be honest, and to look out for the American people and not corporations or themselves.
Right now MAGA is not this.
Says the party that calls republicans Nazis, garbage and weird.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:30
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s contempt as much as it is people think that your idea of empathy is overrated.
Some people prioritize sane and logical decision making to empathy.
This. Liberals use “empathy” as a cudgel to manipulate people and get their way.
Examples are like not wanting to use pronouns- “Why are you so transphobic? You know you could be more emphatic and just do it!!!”
Taking note of the MILLIONS of illegal immigrants that are putting a huge strain on housing, hospitals and schools “If only you could walk in their shoes and acted like a Christian”
ok this is super interesting.
as a liberal it feels like it just isn't really an inconvenience to use someone's pronouns BUT i do agree it kind of went to like a weird place. but i think the tension is that the need to do it felt like - quite small, vs the performance of doing it.
but i do think if someone wants you to use whatever pronoun you should just suck it up and do it no? just dont make it into a whole song and dance.
Why do you believe compelled speech is empathetic? I am genuinely asking; I honestly do not understand why liberals believe forcing speech of others is empathetic.
I do think it is.
We are forced to be polite all the time so as not to hurt people or to be respectful. My kids school they call teachers by their first name but for a while they went to school in Fla and were asked to call them ‘miss x’. That was forced speech. But whatev. That was important to those teachers
Forcing me to announce my pronouns when I don't want to is not empathetic. It is bullying and demands that I conform to your wishes.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:28
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Moderate R here, and I have had this conversation with my D friends about this very topic. I do think that Republicans have less empathy, but are more logical. I'm not interested in getting into all the crazy stuff the president has said/done, but on a few basic points, as an R, I believe it is logical, though not empathetic to:
1. Not expect the entire population to add pronouns to their email signatures. If you need to let someone know your pronouns, add them. I don;t need to specifiy to anyone that I identify as a woman, because I am, obviously. I will (usually, and to the best of my ability) use them, unless of course you are being ridiculous and creating pronouns out of thin air like xi/xey. Then, you can kick dirt. The English language isn't a toy for contemptuous, teen girls who want to see how far they can push the envelope.
2. On immigration, I feel empathy for the families being separated, but not so much empathy that I can't logically understand that if you break the law and sneak into this country illegally, you should be sent back. Same goes for the argument over birthright citizenship. If you come here illegally or on a temp visa to ensure your child is a citizen, that should be revisited. Not a one of our European allies (those bastions of liberalism) allow birthright citizenship. One parent needs to be a legal citizen in most cases. I appreciate the chilling effect these steps will have on illegal immigration not because I fear immigrants, but because I believe in the rule of law.
I'm a dem and i also think it would be insane to expect everyone to add pronouns to their email signatures whether they want to or not. has that been suggested?
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:28
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
I don't have contempt for some empathy.
When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.
Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx
this is what i've seen again and again and i think is at the crux of MAGA. MAGA thinks equity is unfair. If i must go to the office, so must you - even if you dont need to for your work. If I must wait to go through official channels to immigrate then so should you, even if you are running from violence.
They aren't interested in making changes that make it EASIER for others, bc it was not easier for them.
Yes, equity is unfair. Equality is not.
The difference is equity means you want guaranteed outcomes.
Equality means you want an even playing field.
True. But how do you achieve that?
By prosecuting individual instances of discrimination and NOT punishing the group with idiot affirmative action rules.
So women and POC just have to take it to the courts? Missing out on $$. Spending excess hours dealing with legal matters? That makes it very easy for the old boys network. Have any other creative ideas?
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:25
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Moderate R here, and I have had this conversation with my D friends about this very topic. I do think that Republicans have less empathy, but are more logical. I'm not interested in getting into all the crazy stuff the president has said/done, but on a few basic points, as an R, I believe it is logical, though not empathetic to:
1. Not expect the entire population to add pronouns to their email signatures. If you need to let someone know your pronouns, add them. I don;t need to specifiy to anyone that I identify as a woman, because I am, obviously. I will (usually, and to the best of my ability) use them, unless of course you are being ridiculous and creating pronouns out of thin air like xi/xey. Then, you can kick dirt. The English language isn't a toy for contemptuous, teen girls who want to see how far they can push the envelope.
2. On immigration, I feel empathy for the families being separated, but not so much empathy that I can't logically understand that if you break the law and sneak into this country illegally, you should be sent back. Same goes for the argument over birthright citizenship. If you come here illegally or on a temp visa to ensure your child is a citizen, that should be revisited. Not a one of our European allies (those bastions of liberalism) allow birthright citizenship. One parent needs to be a legal citizen in most cases. I appreciate the chilling effect these steps will have on illegal immigration not because I fear immigrants, but because I believe in the rule of law.
1. Not expect the entire population to add pronouns to their email signatures. If you need to let someone know your pronouns, add them. I don;t need to specifiy to anyone that I identify as a woman, because I am, obviously. I will (usually, and to the best of my ability) use them, unless of course you are being ridiculous and creating pronouns out of thin air like xi/xey. Then, you can kick dirt. The English language isn't a toy for contemptuous, teen girls who want to see how far they can push the envelope.
2. On immigration, I feel empathy for the families being separated, but not so much empathy that I can't logically understand that if you break the law and sneak into this country illegally, you should be sent back. Same goes for the argument over birthright citizenship. If you come here illegally or on a temp visa to ensure your child is a citizen, that should be revisited. Not a one of our European allies (those bastions of liberalism) allow birthright citizenship. One parent needs to be a legal citizen in most cases. I appreciate the chilling effect these steps will have on illegal immigration not because I fear immigrants, but because I believe in the rule of law.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:05
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
I don't have contempt for some empathy.
When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.
Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx
this is what i've seen again and again and i think is at the crux of MAGA. MAGA thinks equity is unfair. If i must go to the office, so must you - even if you dont need to for your work. If I must wait to go through official channels to immigrate then so should you, even if you are running from violence.
They aren't interested in making changes that make it EASIER for others, bc it was not easier for them.
Yes, equity is unfair. Equality is not.
The difference is equity means you want guaranteed outcomes.
Equality means you want an even playing field.
True. But how do you achieve that?
By prosecuting individual instances of discrimination and NOT punishing the group with idiot affirmative action rules.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:03
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
I don't have contempt for some empathy.
When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.
Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx
this is what i've seen again and again and i think is at the crux of MAGA. MAGA thinks equity is unfair. If i must go to the office, so must you - even if you dont need to for your work. If I must wait to go through official channels to immigrate then so should you, even if you are running from violence.
They aren't interested in making changes that make it EASIER for others, bc it was not easier for them.
Yes, equity is unfair. Equality is not.
The difference is equity means you want guaranteed outcomes.
Equality means you want an even playing field.
True. But how do you achieve that?
Anonymous
01/28/2025 11:01
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
I don't have contempt for some empathy.
When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.
Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx
this is what i've seen again and again and i think is at the crux of MAGA. MAGA thinks equity is unfair. If i must go to the office, so must you - even if you dont need to for your work. If I must wait to go through official channels to immigrate then so should you, even if you are running from violence.
They aren't interested in making changes that make it EASIER for others, bc it was not easier for them.
Yes, equity is unfair. Equality is not.
The difference is equity means you want guaranteed outcomes.
Equality means you want an even playing field.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 10:59
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
I don't have contempt for some empathy.
When you get to a point where half the country is supporting the other half and the democrat party's ONLY agenda is constant redistribution of income, then I have contempt for it. BIGLY.
Go watch a democrat speak today. It's always about one thing. Taking from one group and giving to another. Equity and all that crap. It is rampant today.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs - Karl Marx
this is what i've seen again and again and i think is at the crux of MAGA. MAGA thinks equity is unfair. If i must go to the office, so must you - even if you dont need to for your work. If I must wait to go through official channels to immigrate then so should you, even if you are running from violence.
They aren't interested in making changes that make it EASIER for others, bc it was not easier for them.
Anonymous
01/28/2025 10:55
Subject: If you are MAGA, do you have contempt for empathy?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To us liberals, this is optically very much the vibe. Is this the case IRL? Would love to understand the thinking.
NP. I’m a Democrat and it feels to me that the Democrats have a lot invested in appearing to have empathy, but not actually having any empathy.
The Republican lack of empathy feels more honest in many respects.
VS?
Versus actually having empathy. I simply do not believe Democrats as a group have empathy and compassion. I used to believe that, but no longer.
I find the Republicans somewhat refreshing in that respect. They don’t pretend they have empathy and compassion.
They’re just downright cruel. But, if that’s your thing.
The Republicans are downright cruel and honest about it. The Democrats are downright cruel and lie about it. They share their cruelty, but their methods for portraying it to others vary.
I’m definitely going to need examples of Dems cruelty.