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Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

This says a 1 in box 24 means non probation.
https://help.usajobs.gov/working-in-government/service/sf-50

How to read your SF-50
Your appointment type
Tenure - Block 24
On your SF-50, look for Block 24 named "Tenure". You may see a 0, 1, 2, 3 or asterisk.

A 0 indicates that you may be in the Senior Executive Service or appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation. You may also be in a group that is not defined in The Guide to Data Standards.
A 1 indicates that you're a permanent, career employee and have completed three years of service.
A 2 indicates that you're a career-conditional employee. You're in a permanent position, but you haven't completed three years of service yet and may still be in your probation period.
A 3 indicates that may be on a temporary or term appointment.
An asterisk indicates that you were appointed through a specific hiring authority that deviates from the above.

Thanks for posting, but LOL #2 - where does this three years of service come from (is that like vesting for TSP or something?) Love the you MAY still be in your probation period.

Oh, also, I think HR might not always be so good updating. I was at my job for more than three years and my SF-50 still showed a “2”

So what kind of numbers are we looking at here? How many probationary one-year employees are we looking at? 200k? I have heard and read several different totals.

So someone is currently in a probationary status a result of a promotion, but immediately preceding worked several years in a competitive service appointment, are they OK?

My agency's rulebook says probation applies on first fed appointment or appointment as supervisor.

So, to the people above, if you're a transfer with tenure, you might be non-probationary. It probably varies by agency.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

My DH had to go back on one year probation because he was promoted to management. During the Biden admin, the new feds started have two years worth of probation..

This is not accurate.

Supervisory probation is a separate category. You can’t be terminated without appeal rights, only demoted back down to non-supervisory.

The regular probation is still one year. It’s only two years for excepted service positions like attorneys.

They aren’t looking for new hires. There will not be mass firings. They will force department heads to make decisions via budget cuts (e.g. you can cut programs or low performers - your choice).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

My DH had to go back on one year probation because he was promoted to management. During the Biden admin, the new feds started have two years worth of probation..

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

You need to look at the SF-50 from when you moved to the new position and see if it mentions probation anywhere in the remarks section. It will specifically say if you’re subject to a new probationary period and for how long. If it says nothing, you’re fine (assuming you weren’t still in probation at the old job before you moved).

Anonymous wrote:The recent hires are the good ones. Ugh.

We were asked about this. Our office is providing "want to keep" or "don't want to keep" notations with regard to everyone on the list of probationary employees.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

This says a 1 in box 24 means non probation.
https://help.usajobs.gov/working-in-government/service/sf-50

How to read your SF-50
Your appointment type
Tenure - Block 24
On your SF-50, look for Block 24 named "Tenure". You may see a 0, 1, 2, 3 or asterisk.

A 0 indicates that you may be in the Senior Executive Service or appointed by the President subject to Senate confirmation. You may also be in a group that is not defined in The Guide to Data Standards.
A 1 indicates that you're a permanent, career employee and have completed three years of service.
A 2 indicates that you're a career-conditional employee. You're in a permanent position, but you haven't completed three years of service yet and may still be in your probation period.
A 3 indicates that may be on a temporary or term appointment.
An asterisk indicates that you were appointed through a specific hiring authority that deviates from the above.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

The white paper linked in the EO doesn’t provide detail about this kind of situation. Quite a mess.

Anonymous wrote:If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

This is what I want to know as well. What's determines if you are on probation, getting a new job anywhere even though you've been employed with the fed gov for many many years.

Haven’t read the whole thread and can’t access the base doc, but I hope it includes probationary supervisors.

If my SF-50 says I have “tenure” am I non-probation?

This is so confusing. I’ve been in my current role less than a year, but I’ve been with the agency and federal government for many years.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My just-graduated from college kid is 7 months in to his 1 year probation at the Department of the Navy. It will be real kick in the groin to get fired over this. As far as I know, he's doing well, but apparently that may not matter

Department of the Navy will be fine, I imagine.

My spouse is a civilian working for Navy and things aren't looking great there either. They're looking at losing people.

You should be concerned about this from a national security perspective.

Ugh.