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Anonymous wrote:What did anti-RTO people do before the pandemic?

I only took jobs within areas where I could handle the commute. But I'm in a fully remote job now, and the location where we would RTO isn't a location where I ever would have accepted a job.

Also, I worked my 8 hours and I went home. I work a lot more and my career has grown, and I'm not giving that up.

It’s not your call. Why not find another job if they force you to? The system will continue to move with or without any of us.

It actually will be hurt if there are significant numbers of quits. I don't think that will happen, but federal employees by and large do things that are Congressionally mandated. Often they are congressionally mandated programs serving citizens, who will no longer be served.

Yes, that maybe but the system will still move forward. Do you really think the new team cares about that? It’s all about evening news and headcount.

do they care if their constituents are hurt? I realize that the administration does not, but I have to believe that even R house members care about reelection.

You’re kidding, right?

Anonymous wrote:I'll go back. I'll be much more of a clock watcher, though.

However, we are 50% in the office, as we don't have space for everyone. Where will they put us?

they will double you up

Anonymous wrote:What did anti-RTO people do before the pandemic?

Many of us … worked from home long before the pandemic. 🤷‍♀️

COVID has just made the technology better to do so, that was the biggest change.

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This is a common set-up: two parents out of the house 10 hours a day, scrambling to provide care for their own children. We make it work because we have to.

And what benefit is there to society in making more people have to deal with this?

So your question (why should I have to suffer like you, essentially) comes across as a bit… privileged to those of us who do essential in-person jobs.

Nice try. Answer the question. What benefit is there to society in making other people’s lives worse?

You mean: What if we are all as self-serving as you?

Who is going to teach your children? Who is going to provide after-school activities and childcare for you? Who is going to be at the urgent care when you or your child get sick?

See, it’s really tiresome for those of us who work for the betterment of society (which often has to be done in person) to hear the woe-is-me from somebody who may have to experience a bit of what we do. It’s hard to feel sympathy when your argument is “well, you’re suffering, but thankfully I don’t have to!”

No one is proposing to make YOUR life worse, while you are rejoicing in making our lives worse, and potentially hurts families and children the most. What kind of poor upbringing have you had?

I’m not rejoicing. Why would I bother to do that?

Just don’t “woe-is-me” about it. Consider your audience. When you have service workers who drive 45 minutes to their jobs (like me and many others), it’s really tiresome to hear people complain about RTO.

Want an example? Just look at your post. It’ll hurt YOUR family and children “the most.” Um… my long hours don’t affect MY family and children? I guess not as much as your RTO will hurt yours, huh?

So, what kind of poor upbringing have YOU had?

You have the option of not coming to DCUM and not clicking on threads. I also don't see a whole lot of moaning and wailing. I see people being pissed that their working conditions are being altered for no good reason, that they are being demeaned just to further political divide, and trying to figure out how they make the change in conditions doable. I see other threads about Amazon RTO where people are grappling with the same life upheavals generated by RTO.

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector DH is the higher earner and the only reason we are tethered to this area is because of my fed job. It would not be worth it to our family to stay in this area with one parent having to be in an office 5 days per week (the added cost of after care, commuting, etc.) and stress on our family would just suck.

I’d first search for another job in this area, I have feelers out and am pretty sure I could land somewhere. But if nothing works out, we could just move to a lower COL area near family and live off my DH’s income. We have 13 years of home equity we could use to buy a nice home with cash (or small mortgage) elsewhere.

I hate thinking like this though because I know the MAGA sociopaths would love the idea of a woman leaving the workforce and a family moving out of the DC area.

Okay? Lots of families have two full time working parents, with long daycare hours or split shifts.

If you don’t have to live near your DH job, then you are free to live near YOUR job, so your commute is not that long, so why is this so impactful you will move over it?

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And plenty of us pay for child care before AND after school.

GMAFB

Okay, so you have long hours and pay for a lot of childcare, what does that have to do with what other people decide?

If someone has a higher earning spouse and decides a government salary isn’t worth a 5 day per week commute, why do you care? Federal employees aren’t indentured to federal service. They can jump ship or leave the workforce if the compensation isn’t worth it once the flexibility is gone.

Also the government doesn’t have a monopoly on telework. Agencies are just going to be less competitive at hiring well educated knowledge workers without it.

OP asked if anyone is thinking about leaving government work if fill time RTO happens, so your long commute and high childcare costs aren’t particularly relevant to this thread anyway.

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This is a common set-up: two parents out of the house 10 hours a day, scrambling to provide care for their own children. We make it work because we have to.

And what benefit is there to society in making more people have to deal with this?

So your question (why should I have to suffer like you, essentially) comes across as a bit… privileged to those of us who do essential in-person jobs.

Nice try. Answer the question. What benefit is there to society in making other people’s lives worse?

You mean: What if we are all as self-serving as you?

Who is going to teach your children? Who is going to provide after-school activities and childcare for you? Who is going to be at the urgent care when you or your child get sick?

See, it’s really tiresome for those of us who work for the betterment of society (which often has to be done in person) to hear the woe-is-me from somebody who may have to experience a bit of what we do. It’s hard to feel sympathy when your argument is “well, you’re suffering, but thankfully I don’t have to!”

No one is proposing to make YOUR life worse, while you are rejoicing in making our lives worse, and potentially hurts families and children the most. What kind of poor upbringing have you had?

I’m not rejoicing. Why would I bother to do that?

Just don’t “woe-is-me” about it. Consider your audience. When you have service workers who drive 45 minutes to their jobs (like me and many others), it’s really tiresome to hear people complain about RTO.

Want an example? Just look at your post. It’ll hurt YOUR family and children “the most.” Um… my long hours don’t affect MY family and children? I guess not as much as your RTO will hurt yours, huh?

So, what kind of poor upbringing have YOU had?

No, not MY family. The impact of RTO will hurt women and children the most.

I'm impressed that you are making this about YOU.

Anonymous wrote:Why do people get worked up over this BEFORE a decision is made? If you worked in the office pre-Covid, are you surprised you may be asked to RTO?

I only worked in an office 2 days per week before COVID. Oh and I actually had an office back then.

I no longer have an office and I haven’t been in 5 days per week since my probationary/training period.

So yes, going into an office 5 days per week to some as of yet unknown location would be a surprise I hadn’t anticipated. Like many people in this country, I did not anticipate a global pandemic shutting down my office, a reality tv star running for president the inciting an insurrection and riling up an uneducated anti-government fan base, and then the weird Tesla guy cozying up to said reality star to turn our country into an oligarchy with the intention of making employment terrible in order to pressure fed employees to quit in order to deregulate agencies for the benefit of private sector billionaires/to launch investigations into marketplace competitors.

Silly me for not seeing any of this coming when I started my career path 15 years ago.

Clearly the fed employees who don’t want to commute into an office 5 days per week to make the billionaire plan come true are the real problem here.

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This is a common set-up: two parents out of the house 10 hours a day, scrambling to provide care for their own children. We make it work because we have to.

And what benefit is there to society in making more people have to deal with this?

So your question (why should I have to suffer like you, essentially) comes across as a bit… privileged to those of us who do essential in-person jobs.

Nice try. Answer the question. What benefit is there to society in making other people’s lives worse?

You mean: What if we are all as self-serving as you?

Who is going to teach your children? Who is going to provide after-school activities and childcare for you? Who is going to be at the urgent care when you or your child get sick?

See, it’s really tiresome for those of us who work for the betterment of society (which often has to be done in person) to hear the woe-is-me from somebody who may have to experience a bit of what we do. It’s hard to feel sympathy when your argument is “well, you’re suffering, but thankfully I don’t have to!”

No one is proposing to make YOUR life worse, while you are rejoicing in making our lives worse, and potentially hurts families and children the most. What kind of poor upbringing have you had?

I’m not rejoicing. Why would I bother to do that?

Just don’t “woe-is-me” about it. Consider your audience. When you have service workers who drive 45 minutes to their jobs (like me and many others), it’s really tiresome to hear people complain about RTO.

Want an example? Just look at your post. It’ll hurt YOUR family and children “the most.” Um… my long hours don’t affect MY family and children? I guess not as much as your RTO will hurt yours, huh?

So, what kind of poor upbringing have YOU had?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll go back. I'll be much more of a clock watcher, though.

However, we are 50% in the office, as we don't have space for everyone. Where will they put us?

We have had dozens of posts of “but no space” — they don’t care. You need to badge in and find a corner of floor. They do not care about productivity, enough bathrooms, HVAC, comfort or anything. They want you in and miserable so you will quit.

So stop with that line of concern.

We need to hook our computers up to the LAN to work, so no individual workstation with LAN cable = no work.

There are approximately 1,000 rules they are going to have to break if you want to put everyone on the floor. The government has written these out and they have to be followed for transparency and for many other reasons. Sure, they can change those rules perhaps, but that's going to take a while and is unlikely to happen. But keep up the trolling. It's enjoyable to watch how desperate you all are.

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This is a common set-up: two parents out of the house 10 hours a day, scrambling to provide care for their own children. We make it work because we have to.

And what benefit is there to society in making more people have to deal with this?

So your question (why should I have to suffer like you, essentially) comes across as a bit… privileged to those of us who do essential in-person jobs.

Nice try. Answer the question. What benefit is there to society in making other people’s lives worse?

You mean: What if we are all as self-serving as you?

Who is going to teach your children? Who is going to provide after-school activities and childcare for you? Who is going to be at the urgent care when you or your child get sick?

See, it’s really tiresome for those of us who work for the betterment of society (which often has to be done in person) to hear the woe-is-me from somebody who may have to experience a bit of what we do. It’s hard to feel sympathy when your argument is “well, you’re suffering, but thankfully I don’t have to!”

No one is proposing to make YOUR life worse, while you are rejoicing in making our lives worse, and potentially hurts families and children the most. What kind of poor upbringing have you had?

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Anonymous wrote:
This is a common set-up: two parents out of the house 10 hours a day, scrambling to provide care for their own children. We make it work because we have to.

And what benefit is there to society in making more people have to deal with this?

So your question (why should I have to suffer like you, essentially) comes across as a bit… privileged to those of us who do essential in-person jobs.

Nice try. Answer the question. What benefit is there to society in making other people’s lives worse?

You mean: What if we are all as self-serving as you?

Who is going to teach your children? Who is going to provide after-school activities and childcare for you? Who is going to be at the urgent care when you or your child get sick?

See, it’s really tiresome for those of us who work for the betterment of society (which often has to be done in person) to hear the woe-is-me from somebody who may have to experience a bit of what we do. It’s hard to feel sympathy when your argument is “well, you’re suffering, but thankfully I don’t have to!”

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Anonymous wrote:I'll go back. I'll be much more of a clock watcher, though.

However, we are 50% in the office, as we don't have space for everyone. Where will they put us?

We have had dozens of posts of “but no space” — they don’t care. You need to badge in and find a corner of floor. They do not care about productivity, enough bathrooms, HVAC, comfort or anything. They want you in and miserable so you will quit.

So stop with that line of concern.

We need to hook our computers up to the LAN to work, so no individual workstation with LAN cable = no work.

Anonymous wrote:What did anti-RTO people do before the pandemic?

My agency had generous telework (including during the first Trump administration). Remote/telework was encouraged across government agencies. This has been the case since about 2014.

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Anonymous wrote:What did anti-RTO people do before the pandemic?

I only took jobs within areas where I could handle the commute. But I'm in a fully remote job now, and the location where we would RTO isn't a location where I ever would have accepted a job.

Also, I worked my 8 hours and I went home. I work a lot more and my career has grown, and I'm not giving that up.

It’s not your call. Why not find another job if they force you to? The system will continue to move with or without any of us.

Yes, obviously I will do that. The question was about what we did before, and I was answering that.

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Anonymous wrote:What did anti-RTO people do before the pandemic?

I only took jobs within areas where I could handle the commute. But I'm in a fully remote job now, and the location where we would RTO isn't a location where I ever would have accepted a job.

Also, I worked my 8 hours and I went home. I work a lot more and my career has grown, and I'm not giving that up.

It’s not your call. Why not find another job if they force you to? The system will continue to move with or without any of us.

It actually will be hurt if there are significant numbers of quits. I don't think that will happen, but federal employees by and large do things that are Congressionally mandated. Often they are congressionally mandated programs serving citizens, who will no longer be served.

Yes, that maybe but the system will still move forward. Do you really think the new team cares about that? It’s all about evening news and headcount.

do they care if their constituents are hurt? I realize that the administration does not, but I have to believe that even R house members care about reelection.