Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:15
Subject: Re:Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crate training, like most dog training, isn't nearly as popular here as it needs to be. There's been a whole wave of ignorant idiots getting dogs, pretending they're "furkids" and letting them get up to all kinds of nonsense, ignoring not only sound training practices (crates, leashes, clickers) but laws (just read the nonsense in the "unofficial dog run" thread to see how entitled some people are).
Some of these tenderhearts seem to believe that only certain "aggressive breeds" (not an actual thing) require leashes, training and confinement, and that it's "mean" to keep their "good" dogs on leashes, in crates, etc. It's disturbing how little these types actually understand about the species they're working with, and annoying af to witness their indignant rage and entitlement when, inevitably, little fifi or fido causes problems for those of us trying to mind our dogs and our business responsibly.
Of course, there are some persistent trolls on this forum, starting/fueling threads for clicks or simply as ragebait. Welcome to DCUM.
There are millions and millions of excellent dog owners with happy and well behaved dogs who don’t use crates. Your ignorance is the same as people who insist spanking needs to be used more, only way to really keep those kids in line. Those meddling tenderhearts all say kids don’t need to be hit but we all see those badly behaved kids who if spanked more would better be under the control of their parents. People who say there are well behaved kids who aren’t spanked are all liars.
Do you eat animal products?
Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:14
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:We had a border collie - who was prone to non-stop barking and anxiety. He loved his crate and voluntarily went to his crate to lay down when there was too much noise and commotion for him. He had enough room to stand up and turn around, a soft bed, and toys in his crate. Being crated in an interior room was easier on him than having him get worked up about squirrels or delivery people and we didn’t want to give him Prozac.
Again the issue is not dogs voluntarily being able to come and go from a space be it a crate or dog house or box or shed or whatever they like to lie in. The issue is when you shut the door and keep them in it.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:13
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
Sounds like you can’t keep a dog inside. Every house or apartment is technically a confined space with a door.
Idiot.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:12
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Isn't this breed specific? I can't believe we're on Page 7 and no one has brought this up.
I've had Pugs for 25 years and now English Toy Spaniels as well. None of these multiple dogs has ever spent more than 30 minutes in a crate while in my house. None of my dogs has ever eaten a baseboard, swallowed pills, severed electrical cords, killed a parakeet, whatever. I get that other dog breeds and mutts are prone to this. I've met a lab who ate an entire chair ....
But some of us really have no need for a crate, due to the breed of dogs we have.
(I do keep a crate for the back of the SUV for when I can't buckle them in during car rides because human passengers are using all the seat belts).
I've had Pugs for 25 years and now English Toy Spaniels as well. None of these multiple dogs has ever spent more than 30 minutes in a crate while in my house. None of my dogs has ever eaten a baseboard, swallowed pills, severed electrical cords, killed a parakeet, whatever. I get that other dog breeds and mutts are prone to this. I've met a lab who ate an entire chair ....
But some of us really have no need for a crate, due to the breed of dogs we have.
(I do keep a crate for the back of the SUV for when I can't buckle them in during car rides because human passengers are using all the seat belts).
Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:09
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
We had a border collie - who was prone to non-stop barking and anxiety. He loved his crate and voluntarily went to his crate to lay down when there was too much noise and commotion for him. He had enough room to stand up and turn around, a soft bed, and toys in his crate. Being crated in an interior room was easier on him than having him get worked up about squirrels or delivery people and we didn’t want to give him Prozac.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:06
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
That is insane and would disqualify 80% of pet owners in this country. Is that really what you want?
Lots of people do this and manage fine. They leave their dogs during the day in dog proofed rooms (if untrained) or free to roam in the house and they have a dog walker come once or twice to take the dog out. Many people all over the world don’t crate their puppies and dogs all day while at work and all night while they sleep. It is very possible to have a dog in the USA and treat it humanely, as they do in Sweden and in many areas of the world. The views on the benefits of keeping dogs crated on this thread represent a very very narrow range of views.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 21:02
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Crates keep your dog safe when you cannot supervise them. My neighbors didn’t use a crate with their puppy. They let him sleep in their room at night. He crawled under their bed and chewed on the baseboards. He ended up with lead poisoning from the paint he ingested. He almost died but after a ton of treatment and time at the emergency vet, he survived.
Our Lab loves her crate. I know she’s safe in there. If I left her out unsupervised for very long, she could get into trouble. Maybe in a few years, she won’t need to be in a crate when we aren’t home but right now, she’s sleeps in hers and goes in when we are gone for longer than an hour or so.
Our Lab loves her crate. I know she’s safe in there. If I left her out unsupervised for very long, she could get into trouble. Maybe in a few years, she won’t need to be in a crate when we aren’t home but right now, she’s sleeps in hers and goes in when we are gone for longer than an hour or so.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:57
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:57
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
We've used crates for housetraining, that's it. Otherwise my dogs stayed in a playpen or corralled into a dogproofed room until they were old enough to not destroy the house and get into things (around 3 years), and now they have free roam of the house while we are gone.
Dogs can be safely confined without crates.
Dogs can be safely confined without crates.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:52
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
This is not a citation. This is an anonymous post on an anon board, devoid of citation. Code? Section number? Name of the law(s) you're allegedly citing?
Seriously. Some of y'all went to the Wikipedia school of reporting and are working on your PhD in BS from ChatGPT U.
https://jordbruksverket.se/djur/hundar-katter-och-smadjur/hundar/sa-skoter-du-din-hund
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:51
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
This is not a citation. This is an anonymous post on an anon board, devoid of citation. Code? Section number? Name of the law(s) you're allegedly citing?
https://jordbruksverket.se/djur/hundar-katter-och-smadjur/hundar/sa-skoter-du-din-hund
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:48
Subject: Re:Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:Crate training, like most dog training, isn't nearly as popular here as it needs to be. There's been a whole wave of ignorant idiots getting dogs, pretending they're "furkids" and letting them get up to all kinds of nonsense, ignoring not only sound training practices (crates, leashes, clickers) but laws (just read the nonsense in the "unofficial dog run" thread to see how entitled some people are).
Some of these tenderhearts seem to believe that only certain "aggressive breeds" (not an actual thing) require leashes, training and confinement, and that it's "mean" to keep their "good" dogs on leashes, in crates, etc. It's disturbing how little these types actually understand about the species they're working with, and annoying af to witness their indignant rage and entitlement when, inevitably, little fifi or fido causes problems for those of us trying to mind our dogs and our business responsibly.
Of course, there are some persistent trolls on this forum, starting/fueling threads for clicks or simply as ragebait. Welcome to DCUM.
There are millions and millions of excellent dog owners with happy and well behaved dogs who don’t use crates. Your ignorance is the same as people who insist spanking needs to be used more, only way to really keep those kids in line. Those meddling tenderhearts all say kids don’t need to be hit but we all see those badly behaved kids who if spanked more would better be under the control of their parents. People who say there are well behaved kids who aren’t spanked are all liars.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:47
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
That is insane and would disqualify 80% of pet owners in this country. Is that really what you want?
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:47
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
This is not a citation. This is an anonymous post on an anon board, devoid of citation. Code? Section number? Name of the law(s) you're allegedly citing?
Seriously. Some of y'all went to the Wikipedia school of reporting and are working on your PhD in BS from ChatGPT U.
Anonymous
01/18/2025 20:46
Subject: Why is crate training so popular here?
Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.
Dogs must have water available at all times.
You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours
You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors
You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.
This is not a citation. This is an anonymous post on an anon board, devoid of citation. Code? Section number? Name of the law(s) you're allegedly citing?