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Anonymous wrote:These are not the best and brightest they are cheapest and dumbest

The difference between h1-b and college graduates is work experience.
You have to be on top of your game, know the technology and learn fast, not get involved in offline politics and definitely not complain.
Salary is low, but on the bright side college education is not as expensive abroad as here, so you are most likely to not have a student loan anymore

It is not unreasonable to expect tech firms to have some on the job training vs insisting everyone they hire have prior experience.

Yes, there should be training. Work is proprietary, the expectation should be bring someone in and train them on job specifics, whether that's new grad or older worker in adjacent role. But the issue is so far beyond that. The goal, as always, is push the risk onto the employee. Expect them to happily accept low pay, work 100 hour weeks when needed, then disappear and fend for themselves when a crunch is over.

Elon is shifting his work force to TX. These foreign born expendables are going to end up in camps. This is all to plan.

Anonymous wrote:Heather Cox Richardson’s essay today is on this issue. I can’t link to it bc it comes via email but it definitely shows what a mess they’re making.

This is actually exactly what needed to happen. Let's see how Trump responds. American workers are tired. Whether it is Bernie or Trump they support, there is a group who wants change and are willing to vote for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the public debate on X is a sign of a very healthy democracy. It is good thing. It should be celebrated.

How do you feel about Musk censoring Laura Loomer and other MAGA for pushing back at his H1 visa stance? Sounds like free speech for me but not for thee, as usual.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-accused-censoring-laura-loomer-maga-republicans-x-rcna185569

"eLOn BoUGhT TwITTeR BeCaUSe He iS a FreE SpEEcH AbSOLutIsT!!!"

* this reminds me also that there are a lot of people on the right wing and here on DCUM who owe us retractions and apologies for the crap like this that they used to tell us...

I'm not sure what people you're referring to but the owner of Twitter/X can censor anyone similar to how this website is censored for speech the owner doesn't like. Free speech rights are only infringed upon by the government.

Heather Cox Richardson’s essay today is on this issue. I can’t link to it bc it comes via email but it definitely shows what a mess they’re making.

Maybe there needs to be a rule also where any time a tech company does a mass layoff, that many visas get canceled and the laid-off workers who were citizens can then be redistributed to companies that had the now-canceled visa workers.

There is also a lot of misguided age discrimination in the US tech sector too. They want young kids, not realizing that some of the more seasoned people in the tech sector have a lot of expertise and insights that younger tech workers are completely lacking.

The tech sector should only be allowed access to visas AFTER they have legitimately made good use of our own home-grown talent.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the public debate on X is a sign of a very healthy democracy. It is good thing. It should be celebrated.

How do you feel about Musk censoring Laura Loomer and other MAGA for pushing back at his H1 visa stance? Sounds like free speech for me but not for thee, as usual.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-accused-censoring-laura-loomer-maga-republicans-x-rcna185569

"eLOn BoUGhT TwITTeR BeCaUSe He iS a FreE SpEEcH AbSOLutIsT!!!"

* this reminds me also that there are a lot of people on the right wing and here on DCUM who owe us retractions and apologies for the crap like this that they used to tell us...

Did Elon not know what he was buying when he spent $250 million on Trump and MAGA?

Is he going to demand a refund if Trump and MAGA continue to pursue their anti-immigrant rhetoric?

I partially agree with an earlier poster that it is a complex issue. I am a natural-born US citizen who works in tech. I agree that there are not enough US citizens in tech, and that not enough American kids are pursuing STEM fields, and that our math and science K-12 education could probably be better. Where there are genuine shortages, I think immigration and bringing in the best and brightest from other countries is worthwhile.

BUT that said, I also think that many qualified, competent and capable American tech workers are being passed over in favor of cheaper immigrant workers, my son is a recent grad in tech (degrees and concentration in computer science, data science and geospatial analysis) and right now the job market is tight, he's submitted application after application after application for months with nary any response. When our own kids, home-grown STEM majors are having a hard time, we can and should slow down on visas.

I also see cases where US companies (including Tesla) are asking for visa workers to fill positions that should be easy for American workers to fill, except they expect visa workers to do the work for $70k that US citizen workers get paid $95k for. The visa program undercuts salaries in tech, and that also needs to end. Getting foreign workers because they are cheaper was never the intent of the visa program and companies abuse it. The intent is to fill genuine shortfalls in the labor pool. The corporate abuse of the visa program and undermining of American workers needs to end.

We need a better system, maybe one that is directly tied to the job market, where companies should first be required to advertise available jobs with full transparency on job qualifications and expectations, matching current prevailing salaries and benefits, and for those job postings to go unfilled for several months before being allowed a visa so that American citizens get first dibs on those jobs. The same should be done in other sectors with labor shortages like farming, construction, hospitality industry and so on.

Anonymous wrote:There is a raging attack on H1-B visa holders, highly skilled immigrants on Twitter right now. MAGA is roasting Elon and Ramaswammy for their support of the inflow of highly skilled immigrants in the country.

I cannot believe this is even an argument. People are so dumb.

When your parents told you to do something for your own good, did you consider that hate also? Just wondering.

Anonymous wrote:I think the public debate on X is a sign of a very healthy democracy. It is good thing. It should be celebrated.

How do you feel about Musk censoring Laura Loomer and other MAGA for pushing back at his H1 visa stance? Sounds like free speech for me but not for thee, as usual.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-accused-censoring-laura-loomer-maga-republicans-x-rcna185569

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Anonymous wrote:Stop complaining. This is what you voted for.

No, I didn't.

Just sick of working long hours for months to complete a huge project which was a success, by the way, and getting nothing for it. Meanwhile the execs walk away with all the $$ knowing it's gotten very difficult for us to find other jobs. Getting paid below market rate is better than no job at all. That's partly why we haven't been replaced.

You elected the billionaires.

+1 the majority of Trump's inner circle and appointees are billionaires.

Drain the swamp, my a$$. MAGA voted for the elite. Elon bought Trump. We now have the Mumps.

MAGA /s

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care, do you?

Even if you didn't vote for Trump, do you have kids? What are they majoring in? Hope it's not CS or business.

I don't have kids. I am married with a HHI of $425k.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t care, do you?

Even if you didn't vote for Trump, do you have kids? What are they majoring in? Hope it's not CS or business.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are not the best and brightest they are cheapest and dumbest

The difference between h1-b and college graduates is work experience.
You have to be on top of your game, know the technology and learn fast, not get involved in offline politics and definitely not complain.
Salary is low, but on the bright side college education is not as expensive abroad as here, so you are most likely to not have a student loan anymore

It is not unreasonable to expect tech firms to have some on the job training vs insisting everyone they hire have prior experience.

Does this include having American workers train their cheaper replacements while being monitored for sabotage and having your benefits hang in the balance if they suspect you didn't train them properly?