Anonymous wrote:I think the current crop of young people are going to be more conservative than a lot of people predicted. For a while it seemed like Gen Z was going to be very social justice oriented and progressive. And I do think there’s a little microgeneration of of that. But I think the youngest Gen Z’ers will be more to the right due to certain online messaging being targeted at them and just generally wanting the perceived stability that comes with a more so-called traditional lifestyle. It will be more pronounced among young men, but I think we will see it in women too.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Latino voters are catholic and held conservative views on social issues. as such, they have never been "reliably" democrats by any stretch. Only with some DACAs and the anti-immigration rhetoric did it sway more to the left.

I have been talking to the Hispanic men who own small I use all the time. The older men voted for Harris. the younger men, including the son of one of the older men, voted for Trump. Why? All about the economy and how smart these kids are. One told me about his friend who started to work in a hotel during the pandemic when no one else wanted to work there. He sanitized the rooms that were used. The manager saw how well he did and continued to promote him. He is now the front end manager of the hotel and back in a local college finishing his undergrad degree. Another started a type of cleaning company when he finished high school in 2016 and it became very popular during the pandemic. He had too much business and could hire people to work for him. He sold it to a larger company, took the money, finished a degree and then bought back his company. All voted for Trump because they thought he would be best for the economy.

These are some of the "demographic" that voted for Trump. Not a fan of Trump and did not vote for him, but you asked who did.

Anyone who voted for Trump based on the economy is not really "smart". That shows a complete lack of understanding of all the forces that impact the economy and the negative impacts of Trumps proposed policies (tariffs anyone?) Probably admires Trumps "business acumen", too, meaning he is okay with cheating and doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets his.

Not someone to admire. That's who Trump voters are...not people to admire. Ignorance, selfishness, and unfeeling./uncaring/cold-hearted. But hey they make lots of money. FFS.

Trump was at least talking about the economy while Harris was talking about DEI, social justice, trans rights, affirmative action, shit like that.

No, she wasn’t. You are parroting RWNJ talking points.

Trump was lying about the economy. Harris presented solutions.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems will sweep the 2026 mid- terms.

The 2026 midterms are a "must win" for Democrats.

If they don't sweep the midterms, they are in deep shit.

Whereas the Republican party is golden? Trump is a one hit wonder. Who else do they have with his odd appeal?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's four years will be make or break for the Republican Party. If his four years end in mass death and chaos like Covid-19, BLM riots, J6 riot, his legacy will be ruined. If it ends smoothly, then the Republicans will likely win in 2028.

I think you have this backwards. The pressure for the next four years is not on Trump.

Everyone already spent four years with Trump. They reelected him because they are more comfortable with that than they are with what Democrats have to offer.

The pressure for the next four years is on Democrats to present an alternative to Trump that people can get behind. So far, the only thing that the Democrats are doing is replacing their octogenarians in leadership with the unreformed progressives that helped to drive them into this ditch. I don’t think they are heading in the right direction.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's four years will be make or break for the Republican Party. If his four years end in mass death and chaos like Covid-19, BLM riots, J6 riot, his legacy will be ruined. If it ends smoothly, then the Republicans will likely win in 2028.

I think you have this backwards. The pressure for the next four years is not on Trump.

Everyone already spent four years with Trump. They reelected him because they are more comfortable with that than they are with what Democrats have to offer.

The pressure for the next four years is on Democrats to present an alternative to Trump that people can get behind. So far, the only thing that the Democrats are doing is replacing their octogenarians in leadership with the unreformed progressives that helped to drive them into this ditch. I don’t think they are heading in the right direction.

Agree. The "names" in the Democratic Party - from Newsom to Shapiro to Whitmer to Beshear - are not happening nationally. Democrats are such an awful brand they need a complete reboot. Like Obama when he was a mere state senator in Illinois. If the DNC would actually allow it, Democrats really, really need an open primary that is welcoming to candidates coming out out of left field and have the skills and charisma to compete. Democrats seem to insist on anointing their establishment next in line politicians - from Clinton to Biden to Harris, and clearing the field to make it happen.

And that's not going to work anymore. The DNC and the donor class have been a disaster for Democrats. And Democrats have been crippled by local government progressives that are repelling everyone.

I saw an interview a few weeks ago on CNN with a new Congresswomen from Washington State that flipped a red seat blue. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez. Such a down to earth, decent, common sense, cares about people person. I thought, yes, more of this please. Authentic. Involved in the issues of her community. Wants to make life better for people in her corner of the world - and that includes loggers and other boogeymen for progressives. I'm sure she's not running for president, but that is exactly what Democrats need. Not fricking Gavin Newsom or any other slick-haired billionaire-supported lifetime politician.

I swear you people
Posting here must be 22 years old. It’s like you just tuned into politics last year. Totally clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's four years will be make or break for the Republican Party. If his four years end in mass death and chaos like Covid-19, BLM riots, J6 riot, his legacy will be ruined. If it ends smoothly, then the Republicans will likely win in 2028.

I think you have this backwards. The pressure for the next four years is not on Trump.

Everyone already spent four years with Trump. They reelected him because they are more comfortable with that than they are with what Democrats have to offer.

The pressure for the next four years is on Democrats to present an alternative to Trump that people can get behind. So far, the only thing that the Democrats are doing is replacing their octogenarians in leadership with the unreformed progressives that helped to drive them into this ditch. I don’t think they are heading in the right direction.

Agree. The "names" in the Democratic Party - from Newsom to Shapiro to Whitmer to Beshear - are not happening nationally. Democrats are such an awful brand they need a complete reboot. Like Obama when he was a mere state senator in Illinois. If the DNC would actually allow it, Democrats really, really need an open primary that is welcoming to candidates coming out out of left field and have the skills and charisma to compete. Democrats seem to insist on anointing their establishment next in line politicians - from Clinton to Biden to Harris, and clearing the field to make it happen.

And that's not going to work anymore. The DNC and the donor class have been a disaster for Democrats. And Democrats have been crippled by local government progressives that are repelling everyone.

I saw an interview a few weeks ago on CNN with a new Congresswomen from Washington State that flipped a red seat blue. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez. Such a down to earth, decent, common sense, cares about people person. I thought, yes, more of this please. Authentic. Involved in the issues of her community. Wants to make life better for people in her corner of the world - and that includes loggers and other boogeymen for progressives. I'm sure she's not running for president, but that is exactly what Democrats need. Not fricking Gavin Newsom or any other slick-haired billionaire-supported lifetime politician.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump's four years will be make or break for the Republican Party. If his four years end in mass death and chaos like Covid-19, BLM riots, J6 riot, his legacy will be ruined. If it ends smoothly, then the Republicans will likely win in 2028.

I think you have this backwards. The pressure for the next four years is not on Trump.

Everyone already spent four years with Trump. They reelected him because they are more comfortable with that than they are with what Democrats have to offer.

The pressure for the next four years is on Democrats to present an alternative to Trump that people can get behind. So far, the only thing that the Democrats are doing is replacing their octogenarians in leadership with the unreformed progressives that helped to drive them into this ditch. I don’t think they are heading in the right direction.

Anonymous wrote:Trump's four years will be make or break for the Republican Party. If his four years end in mass death and chaos like Covid-19, BLM riots, J6 riot, his legacy will be ruined. If it ends smoothly, then the Republicans will likely win in 2028.

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Anonymous wrote:Many Latino voters are catholic and held conservative views on social issues. as such, they have never been "reliably" democrats by any stretch. Only with some DACAs and the anti-immigration rhetoric did it sway more to the left.

I have been talking to the Hispanic men who own small I use all the time. The older men voted for Harris. the younger men, including the son of one of the older men, voted for Trump. Why? All about the economy and how smart these kids are. One told me about his friend who started to work in a hotel during the pandemic when no one else wanted to work there. He sanitized the rooms that were used. The manager saw how well he did and continued to promote him. He is now the front end manager of the hotel and back in a local college finishing his undergrad degree. Another started a type of cleaning company when he finished high school in 2016 and it became very popular during the pandemic. He had too much business and could hire people to work for him. He sold it to a larger company, took the money, finished a degree and then bought back his company. All voted for Trump because they thought he would be best for the economy.

These are some of the "demographic" that voted for Trump. Not a fan of Trump and did not vote for him, but you asked who did.

Anyone who voted for Trump based on the economy is not really "smart". That shows a complete lack of understanding of all the forces that impact the economy and the negative impacts of Trumps proposed policies (tariffs anyone?) Probably admires Trumps "business acumen", too, meaning he is okay with cheating and doesn't care who gets hurt as long as he gets his.

Not someone to admire. That's who Trump voters are...not people to admire. Ignorance, selfishness, and unfeeling./uncaring/cold-hearted. But hey they make lots of money. FFS.

Trump was at least talking about the economy while Harris was talking about DEI, social justice, trans rights, affirmative action, shit like that.

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Anonymous wrote:The parties have shifted. Dems are now the party of GWB foreign policy mixed with far left stances on social issues. The problem is that the actual D politicians cannot speak out against any of the "progressive" policies no matter how unpopular they are.
Rep Seth Moulton has been attacked mercilessly for coming out against trans athletes in womens sports despite his opinion being that of the majority. There are now calls for his resignation or to primary him. Progressives seem to hate free speech these days which can turnoff the general public. I also dont think the left will help themselves running to echo chambers like bluesky.
Trump is a moderate in most respects with similar policies to those Bill Clinton held with a touch of Ross
Perot populism thrown in and a dash of isolation in.

Moulton’s campaign manager resigned immediately, which goes to a structural problem in the party. If you think your career is at risk because your candidate espoused a position that 75% of Americans agree with, that is a serious problem structurally.

Trans men in women sports is the bill I died on. After a life long Dem I did not vote for the presidency this year. I could not vote for a party that wants me to think a man should be on an woman’s team. They can do co ed sports if they want to compete against men and women.

Okay, but the Democrats don't support this. Name one Democratic official who spoke out on this issue.

Well, who is calling for his resignation and why are people talking about primarying him?

Oh. That's right. Democrats.

Democrats put trans rights ahead of the rights of 50% of the population and put trans concerns ahead of the concerns of 99% of the population

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Anonymous wrote:I think college educated voters will be next. There were a lot of moral superiority arguments being made before that just don’t hold water anymore.

I think so too. I think the Democratic Party used to be the culture of coolness for the educated but that’s not true anymore. Edginess has gone elsewhere.

Yes. Increasingly, Democrats are seen as the party of wealthy gatekeepers with clipboards. Do you share preferred pronouns in your emails? Do you use the term LatinX? Do you agree trans women are real women? Do you advocate for restorative justice? If you do not answer correctly, you are the enemy.

Younger people don't have a natural party affiliation. For them, Obama is something from the history books. They look at progressives today and see ideologically rigid bullies that will happily cancel and destroy anyone that dares question prevailing leftish social positions. And these days, progressives offer nothing at all when it comes to real issues like health care, the cost of living, or the environment.

I see it with my own college-aged kids. The Democratic brand is not strong. It's whiny, self-indulgent, and often very wrong on the issues young people experience every day - from chaotic schools to violent crime. But they've learned to keep their head down and not question Democrats publicly, because they can see online what the left does to anyone that disagrees with them. But generally, GenZ is not liking what they see among Democrats. I think as a group, GenZ is far more pragmatic and rooted in common sense than people give them credit for. And consequently, they are not identifying with Democrats anymore.

Anonymous wrote:I think it's dumb that people think there's nobody to take over from Trump. If anybody has ever seen Vance in interviews or during the debate its quite obvious. His Rogan interview was A+, better than Trumps. He connects.

He will easily take over the Trump mantle without the baggage. He holds the base together with even more appeal to centrists who are "embarrassed" by Trump.

Right now the left has no strong contenders. Mayor Petes not it, Bashear is not very impressive in actuality, and Shapiro is dull(not to mention a zionist in the party of anti-semitism). The establishment will probably choose Newsom and we all know they control the
candidate choice.

Anonymous wrote:Ha ha ha. Once Trump and his ridiculous cronies destroy this country, Dems will win big.