Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:36
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not great for parents of young children who may not have much aftercare at their daycares. Our former daycare really cut back hours post COVID. We are lucky that our older kids can stay at their elementary school until 6:30pm, but this is not the case throughout DCPS.
Yeah, how on earth did parents do it pre-covid?
Pre-Covid I didn’t work. So yay for forcing more women out of the workforce.
This. I teleworked pre-covid, but doing so kept me in a low level position. I was able to advance significantly when WFH became more widespread. I know other women who didn't work or worked part time, because somebody has to be near the house for the before- and after-school stuff.
TBC, I'm not talking about childcare during working hours, I'm talking about being home at 5:00 so you can drive kids places and make dinner.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:36
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where are you seeing 8-6? I mean if that’s the case then Fridays off for everyone! I’ll gladly do 4 tens if that’s the requirement. Otherwise Vivek better come up with some OT for the entire federal govt. Seriously, this guy is an idiot.
The plan is for a 50 hour workweek without OT. See paragraph six:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ramaswamys-jackhammer-chain-saw-plan-force-federal-workers-back-office-rcna180732
So he wants a 50hr work week without paying people for ten extra hours worked? Got it lol
Again, if you are a salaried FLSA exempt employee, like a lawyer or an accountant or a manager/supervisor, you work when your employer wants you to work. There are no "extra" hours.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:34
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where are you seeing 8-6? I mean if that’s the case then Fridays off for everyone! I’ll gladly do 4 tens if that’s the requirement. Otherwise Vivek better come up with some OT for the entire federal govt. Seriously, this guy is an idiot.
The plan is for a 50 hour workweek without OT. See paragraph six:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ramaswamys-jackhammer-chain-saw-plan-force-federal-workers-back-office-rcna180732
That's not a "plan" that's Vivek speaking to Tucker Carlson about how much he hates feds.
How do you see this playing out? He and Elon will make this recommendation to the president and he can implement it virtually immediately via executive order.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:32
Subject: Re:Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.
Is fully remote a huge thing? Maybe I'm just not well connected bc I don't understand where this omg feds NEVER go to the office, they're sitting home for 4+ years even comes from. Most people I know at various agencies go in 2-6 times per pay period. So 1-3 times/week. And at my agency people do it - it isn't mgmt looking the other way so people not coming in.
No, it's already special cases and quota jobs. Fully remote exists but is not the norm.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:31
Subject: Re:Questions about DOGE and RTO
the more DOGE talks, the more it becomes obvious this isn't about efficiency or actually trying to make the federal government more productive. so surprising that a trump initiative is a lie.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:30
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where are you seeing 8-6? I mean if that’s the case then Fridays off for everyone! I’ll gladly do 4 tens if that’s the requirement. Otherwise Vivek better come up with some OT for the entire federal govt. Seriously, this guy is an idiot.
The plan is for a 50 hour workweek without OT. See paragraph six:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ramaswamys-jackhammer-chain-saw-plan-force-federal-workers-back-office-rcna180732
So he wants a 50hr work week without paying people for ten extra hours worked? Got it lol
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:30
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where are you seeing 8-6? I mean if that’s the case then Fridays off for everyone! I’ll gladly do 4 tens if that’s the requirement. Otherwise Vivek better come up with some OT for the entire federal govt. Seriously, this guy is an idiot.
The plan is for a 50 hour workweek without OT. See paragraph six:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ramaswamys-jackhammer-chain-saw-plan-force-federal-workers-back-office-rcna180732
That's not a "plan" that's Vivek speaking to Tucker Carlson about how much he hates feds.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:28
Subject: Re:Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.
Is fully remote a huge thing? Maybe I'm just not well connected bc I don't understand where this omg feds NEVER go to the office, they're sitting home for 4+ years even comes from. Most people I know at various agencies go in 2-6 times per pay period. So 1-3 times/week. And at my agency people do it - it isn't mgmt looking the other way so people not coming in.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:28
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is not great for parents of young children who may not have much aftercare at their daycares. Our former daycare really cut back hours post COVID. We are lucky that our older kids can stay at their elementary school until 6:30pm, but this is not the case throughout DCPS.
Yeah, how on earth did parents do it pre-covid?
Pre-Covid I didn’t work. So yay for forcing more women out of the workforce.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:26
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where are you seeing 8-6? I mean if that’s the case then Fridays off for everyone! I’ll gladly do 4 tens if that’s the requirement. Otherwise Vivek better come up with some OT for the entire federal govt. Seriously, this guy is an idiot.
The plan is for a 50 hour workweek without OT. See paragraph six:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ramaswamys-jackhammer-chain-saw-plan-force-federal-workers-back-office-rcna180732
I don't see "no OT". I suspect there are some labor violations there but whatever.
His whole thing is that we need to cut costs. He's not going to advocate for overtime pay. Salaried government employees who are FLSA exempt should expect a 50 hour workweek without OT.
no they shouldn't.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:25
Subject: Re:Questions about DOGE and RTO
Fully remote should be eliminated except some special cases, like if the job has quota.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:24
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Where are you seeing 8-6? I mean if that’s the case then Fridays off for everyone! I’ll gladly do 4 tens if that’s the requirement. Otherwise Vivek better come up with some OT for the entire federal govt. Seriously, this guy is an idiot.
The plan is for a 50 hour workweek without OT. See paragraph six:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ramaswamys-jackhammer-chain-saw-plan-force-federal-workers-back-office-rcna180732
I don't see "no OT". I suspect there are some labor violations there but whatever.
His whole thing is that we need to cut costs. He's not going to advocate for overtime pay. Salaried government employees who are FLSA exempt should expect a 50 hour workweek without OT.
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:23
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:RTO will work in one if two ways, depending on your agency:
1. For well respected, relatively noncontroversial independent agencies that get their budget from fees, etc, not much will change. SEC, OCC, FDIC, etc
2. For everyone else (and cfpb), things will be very bad.
You think a bunch of billionaires narcissists think the SEC is a respected, noncontroversial agency? You crazy, girl.
They need SEC to exist. In particular, to provide some clarity on crypto ICO issuances. SEC is critical to the functioning of financial markets. No one is blowing up the SEC; they just want to change the regs and enforcement thresholds.
SEC employee - not under the impression that SEC is respected because it isn't. But I do recognize self interest when I see it. I feel like they'll be mindful of what agencies impact the markets - i.e. where they have a ton of their own money - and which ones do not.
For SEC and I assume other unionized agencies also, isn't the work schedule/RTO in the CBA? Which runs until 2027. Can you just cancel said CBA tomorrow without litigation?
For a lot of the Agencies, there are rules pertaining to how telework determinations are made but there is now "thou shalt grant employees 4 days per pay period" type language. Most agencies would not agree to this because they want to maintain discretion to make tweaks around the margins, deal with poor performers for whom telework is not working, accommodate business needs, etc. CBAs will generally have some sort of out that the Agencies could use.
Just looked at my agency's CBA and it very clearly says 2 days per PP in office, 8 days remote; there are outs in there - business needs, poor performance etc. I assume this will all play out under business needs - now suddenly the govt needs everyone in the office. Fine. But do we think the union won't try to litigate that and say tell us what changed in the business needs?
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:21
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anyone else at any unionized agency whose view is - I'm not coming back 5 days a week, do what you want? I can't be the only one thinking this?
Anonymous
11/21/2024 12:20
Subject: Questions about DOGE and RTO
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:RTO will work in one if two ways, depending on your agency:
1. For well respected, relatively noncontroversial independent agencies that get their budget from fees, etc, not much will change. SEC, OCC, FDIC, etc
2. For everyone else (and cfpb), things will be very bad.
You think a bunch of billionaires narcissists think the SEC is a respected, noncontroversial agency? You crazy, girl.
They need SEC to exist. In particular, to provide some clarity on crypto ICO issuances. SEC is critical to the functioning of financial markets. No one is blowing up the SEC; they just want to change the regs and enforcement thresholds.
SEC employee - not under the impression that SEC is respected because it isn't. But I do recognize self interest when I see it. I feel like they'll be mindful of what agencies impact the markets - i.e. where they have a ton of their own money - and which ones do not.
For SEC and I assume other unionized agencies also, isn't the work schedule/RTO in the CBA? Which runs until 2027. Can you just cancel said CBA tomorrow without litigation?
For a lot of the Agencies, there are rules pertaining to how telework determinations are made but there is no "thou shalt grant employees 4 days per pay period" type language. Most agencies would not agree to this because they want to maintain discretion to make tweaks around the margins, deal with poor performers for whom telework is not working, accommodate business needs, etc. CBAs will generally have some sort of out that the Agencies could use.