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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

where are you getting that from?

It’s perhaps unsurprising that the anti-cyclist maniac on here accustomed to accusing everyone else of lying refuses to cite their sources.

All interested stakeholders received a copy of the report. Since you didn’t receive one it clearly indicates what you are, which is someone who spends their days online lying about bicycles and attacking people who disagree with you. It’s a pretty sad existence.

If you want a copy of the report, please feel free to contact SHA directly or your state legislator.

I take it that whatever education you received failed in instructing you how to cite your sources. If you are making specific claims that are disputed by others, point to the page number in the report where those numbers come from.

Can you write a single post without flinging ridiculous accusations against anyone who requests a proper citation? I’ve seen you post the same crap in multiple threads now and, if anyone on here seems worthy of others’ pity, it is you.

You’re just angry that you got found out and exposed for being a liar.

SHA prepared a report on the implementation of the lanes in October that was disseminated to local stakeholders. You don’t have the report and everything you have said about the lanes is a lie.

If you want the report, contact SHA or your state representative. If you don’t live in MD I would wonder why you lie about a place you don’t live and about things you know nothing about.

Pathological.

Listing a few page numbers in the report would have taken a hell of a lot less time to write than that screed.

That you can’t provide strong suggests to me that you are, in fact, the one spilling fibs here.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

where are you getting that from?

It’s perhaps unsurprising that the anti-cyclist maniac on here accustomed to accusing everyone else of lying refuses to cite their sources.

All interested stakeholders received a copy of the report. Since you didn’t receive one it clearly indicates what you are, which is someone who spends their days online lying about bicycles and attacking people who disagree with you. It’s a pretty sad existence.

If you want a copy of the report, please feel free to contact SHA directly or your state legislator.

I take it that whatever education you received failed in instructing you how to cite your sources. If you are making specific claims that are disputed by others, point to the page number in the report where those numbers come from.

Can you write a single post without flinging ridiculous accusations against anyone who requests a proper citation? I’ve seen you post the same crap in multiple threads now and, if anyone on here seems worthy of others’ pity, it is you.

You’re just angry that you got found out and exposed for being a liar.

SHA prepared a report on the implementation of the lanes in October that was disseminated to local stakeholders. You don’t have the report and everything you have said about the lanes is a lie.

If you want the report, contact SHA or your state representative. If you don’t live in MD I would wonder why you lie about a place you don’t live and about things you know nothing about.

Pathological.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

where are you getting that from?

It’s perhaps unsurprising that the anti-cyclist maniac on here accustomed to accusing everyone else of lying refuses to cite their sources.

All interested stakeholders received a copy of the report. Since you didn’t receive one it clearly indicates what you are, which is someone who spends their days online lying about bicycles and attacking people who disagree with you. It’s a pretty sad existence.

If you want a copy of the report, please feel free to contact SHA directly or your state legislator.

I take it that whatever education you received failed in instructing you how to cite your sources. If you are making specific claims that are disputed by others, point to the page number in the report where those numbers come from.

Can you write a single post without flinging ridiculous accusations against anyone who requests a proper citation? I’ve seen you post the same crap in multiple threads now and, if anyone on here seems worthy of others’ pity, it is you.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

where are you getting that from?

It’s perhaps unsurprising that the anti-cyclist maniac on here accustomed to accusing everyone else of lying refuses to cite their sources.

All interested stakeholders received a copy of the report. Since you didn’t receive one it clearly indicates what you are, which is someone who spends their days online lying about bicycles and attacking people who disagree with you. It’s a pretty sad existence.

If you want a copy of the report, please feel free to contact SHA directly or your state legislator.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

where are you getting that from?

It’s perhaps unsurprising that the anti-cyclist maniac on here accustomed to accusing everyone else of lying refuses to cite their sources.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

where are you getting that from?

Anonymous wrote:Well, the bike bros is back trying to clog our boards with their propaganda. Happens every few months or so.

Looking out the window, it is 41 degrees and raining. Biking? No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?

Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.

I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.

I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.

City wide. Not just the city center.

I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.

They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.

This is a thread about bicycle usage. What do speed cameras have to do with that, in your mind?

That was a discussion about traffic calming. I'm sorry that you are unable to follow allong.

I don’t think speed cameras - particularly when they are used to substitute for manual enforcement - fall under the rubric of “traffic calming” measures.

Traffic calming is more infrastructural in nature. Bike lanes, bulb-outs, HAWK signals, speed limits, and stuff like that.

Speed cameras are also traffic calming.

No, they are not. Speed cameras cause drivers to brake suddenly before the camera and then speed up rapidly as soon as the vehicle is out of range. This is not “calming”.

They're part of DDOT's expansive "traffic calming" measures so it doesn't really matter what you think.

Nope. It doesn’t matter what YOU think. You are grouping a whole bunch of random policies together and claiming that they are part of some grand “traffic calming” conspiracy. It’s the unhinged crap that is reminiscent of Q.

Um no and your absurd lying about it doesn't help your case. DDOT has been very explicit that all of these measures are part of their traffic calming toolkit.

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Anonymous wrote:A quick overview of the data is here: https://www.planetizen.com/news/2024/09/131901-dc-micromobility-use-keeps-growing?amp

These numbers come from actual trips recorded by CaBi docking stations.

There is someone on this forum who incessantly posts variations of results from the American Community Survey (ACS) in a quixotic effort to show that cycling is not becoming more popular.

This would be akin to arguing that Kamala Harris won the election on the basis of a particular combination of opinion polls that had her ahead of Donald Trump. Actually, it’s much worse than that because the designers of the ACS put very little effort into meaningfully measuring bicycle use.

If you want to believe that kind of nonsense, go ahead, but no one who has the slightest bit of knowledge of statistics or transportation patterns would read anything into the ACS numbers.

Do they have any data for how many bikeshare bikes are left blocking disabled ramps, doorways, park benches, stairs, sidewalks and other places where the last user simply dropped the bike when they were done?

How about the number of bikes that end up in the Potomac River? Or off some embankment or cliff and down into the woods in Rock Creek Park? Or off a bridge?

Any of that data available?

Any data available on car crash debris left all over the place? I see a lot of it.

Here’s the data on fatal traffic accidents this year: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/traffic-data

DC is on track to have more road deaths than any year in the past 20 years and possibly even longer.

Scary stuff.

Are you saying that the widespread "traffic calming" experiment has not worked? Because that's what it sounds lke you're saying.

DP. It's not widespread yet. The point is for it to be widespread. Also, it's not an experiment.

It's most certainly an experiment. No city of this size in a metropolitan area of this size has simultaneously attempted to systematically decrease capacity on all its major roads, eliminate all forms of human traffic enforcement, and increase congestion citywide.

It is also most certainly widespread. The sheer number of new measures that have been implemented in the last three years is staggering. Is there even a single major road that hasn't been changed or attempted to be changed in some manner?

Your head would explode if you ever visited Bogota, New York, Paris or dozens of other cities I’m too lazy to list.

At least in terms of decreasing capacity on major roads.

Not sure about the abandonment of human enforcement. Many of us who are otherwise in favor of the changes that the city has made to its roads dislike this policy immensely.

I have been to all of them and you don't know what you're talking about. In none of those places has anything been attempted all at once city wide.

I’d be really curious to know when you last visited Paris or Manhattan.

The reductions in vehicle lanes in these cities over the past few years make DC look like Houston.

City wide. Not just the city center.

I don't know how else to explain it to you. What Bogota, Paris, and New York have done covers a much larger area than what DC has done.

They're all much bigger cities. But no, what they are doing does not cover as large a percentage of area, is not as multifaceted, and has not been done in as short a time frame.

This year alone has seen a 300% increase in enforcement cameras. That's just one layer.

This is a thread about bicycle usage. What do speed cameras have to do with that, in your mind?

That was a discussion about traffic calming. I'm sorry that you are unable to follow allong.

I don’t think speed cameras - particularly when they are used to substitute for manual enforcement - fall under the rubric of “traffic calming” measures.

Traffic calming is more infrastructural in nature. Bike lanes, bulb-outs, HAWK signals, speed limits, and stuff like that.

Speed cameras are also traffic calming.

No, they are not. Speed cameras cause drivers to brake suddenly before the camera and then speed up rapidly as soon as the vehicle is out of range. This is not “calming”.

They're part of DDOT's expansive "traffic calming" measures so it doesn't really matter what you think.

Nope. It doesn’t matter what YOU think. You are grouping a whole bunch of random policies together and claiming that they are part of some grand “traffic calming” conspiracy. It’s the unhinged crap that is reminiscent of Q.

Um no and your absurd lying about it doesn't help your case. DDOT has been very explicit that all of these measures are part of their traffic calming toolkit.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

In other words, people want bike lanes.

ha good catch. imagine thinking that “young people want this amenity” is some kind of argument against bike lanes. or that dense development is something inherently bad. guys like Fisher have no actual interest in thinking about what’s good for DC overall. If they were in charge 50 years ago we wouldn’t even have a Metro system.

We would have a trolley system that would service the chosen neighborhoods.

we wouldn’t even have that. the mark fishers of the world would sputter their absolute outrage at the installation of trolley tracks on their beautiful streets. these guys probably would have complained about building the public sewers in the in 1800s, arguing that their right to discharge effluent directly into the gutter was inalienable and that these newfangled “underground pipe bros” were ruining DC.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

It’s weird that someone would lie so much about bike lanes. Why do you do it?

The PP was close but not completely accurate. Here’s what the report says:

- AM peak period travel times have increased by up to 22%
- PM peak period travel times have increased up to 40%
- Total peak travel times increase is 6 minutes per day
- Maintenance has cost $57,000
- There was no reduction in bike crashes (1 per year last 3 years, 0 in 2019-2020)
- Vehicle crashes increased by 60% (16 in 2022, 26 in 2023)

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

The report did not say that it costs $100,000 a year to maintain, and the report also did not say that it adds 10 minutes to travel time during peak hours. You're just factually wrong about that.

Also, if you think ten minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot, just imagine how much 3 permanently dead people is.

Here's the reality:

Old Georgetown Road was a dangerous/deadly road.
So MD SHA instituted a road diet to make it safer - reducing the number of lanes from 6 to 4, and narrowing the lanes.
They had to do something with the extra road space, so they put in bike lanes.
The main effect of the bike lanes is to make the sidewalks much safer and more comfortable for people who are walking or waiting for the bus.
There isn't any additional cut-through traffic.
There aren't any additional traffic jams.
Almost two years later, some people are still complaining because it takes them a few minutes longer to drive.

Get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:An scientific study shows that bike sharing in DC has actually reduced congestion: https://www.itskrs.its.dot.gov/2020-b01452

This is an interesting counterpoint to those who claim that bike lanes have the opposite effect.

Except the physical changes increase congestion, which is what they are designed to do, by over 20% so it's still a large net negative.

Where are you getting 20% from? They certainly aren't allocating 20% of road space to bike lanes.

In terms of protected bike lanes (which are not used for free parking, most of the time), it’s 35 miles out of 1,500 miles of road. The lanes take up at most 20% of the road, so it’s 0.2 * 35/1500 =0.005%

The amount of whining that goes on about the use of 0.005% of road space in DC is phenomenal!

Get a better hobby, NIMBYs!

Old Georgetown Road says you're wrong. The took 2 of the 6 lanes (33%) and turned them into bike lanes which approximately zero people use.

You’d be interested to hear that the actual data shows the bike lanes on Old Georgetown Road did not slow down commutes and seem to have decreased accidents. https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/08/many-drivers-despise-these-bethesda-bike-lanes-but-are-they-slowing-drivers-down/

Did you read the article? It's entirely specious spin - especially that accident data. It's a prime example of how to lie with statistics.

I’m not going to bother reading the article because it sounds like a huge lie. The SHA study came to the following conclusions:
- costs $100k per year to maintain
- used by 28 cyclists per day in summer
- adds ~10 minutes to travel time during peak hours
- did not increase vehicle accidents

Now one one could say, and plenty have, that 10 minutes is no big whoop. But 10 minutes for 10,000 daily road users is a lot.

Let’s put this another way, there is a reason why all of the cycling advocates in the region don’t talk about this boondoggle and there’s a reason why Montgomery County has shifted its “war on cars” strategy to lane reduction with bus lanes instead of bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a great write up of the bike use records:

https://ggwash.org/view/97337/bikeshare-beat-for-the-fifth-straight-month-cabi-breaks-ridership-record

Awesome stuff. Biking is becoming more and more popular in DC!

That's propaganda from special-interest/lobbyist group GGW. They just want to build more buildings and make bank.

The GGW ANC commissioner gave the game away in Marc Fisher’s column: developers want bike lanes because they’re seen as a marketing plus to attract younger renters to dense upscale development projects.

What has Mark Fisher ever done to improve transit in DC, get healthier, reduce carbon emissions? Anything? Ever? Has he done ANY reporting on any kind of transit issue other than his one-off last week? Does he drive exclusively and if so, why not disclose that as part of a conflict of interest? Has he ever written about the actual situation of W7 and 8 does he just invoke “Chocolate City” when convenient?

I’m very very tired of absolute cranks (almost always older men) who have zero actual investment in making DC better getting airtime whenever they feel offended by the city changing. It’s not your city Mr Fisher - you don’t own it.

You know Marc Fisher is an old white man, right?