Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:39     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:None of the “arguments” for Trump actually support Trump. They just take whatever favors the Dems and claim it favors the Republicans and say it over and over again in their echo chambers.


Huh? Trump will shut down illegal immigration. Kamala won’t. This is pretty simple. Let’s see what the voters prefer.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:38     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve voted since 1976 and I’ve always voted Republican until 2020 and I don’t regret that vote even though I’m not a Biden fan. I just don’t understand how this can be a close race and that Trump can win. With his former cabinet members, his staff and his military leadership almost all against him how is he doing so well? If it’s not a cult I don’t know what it is. Like I said, I’m a hard core Republican and not some crazy liberal. We can survive four years of Harris but four years of an unleashed Trump scares the hell out of me.


only 35% of the US working population have college degrees.

the educated elite assume that the working class is content with overwhelming immigration keeping low wages and no health care.

how dare they want a living wage.

If your business can't pay a livable wage, then your business is a failure. That's how capitalism works.

If you base your business on workers who aren't making a living wage because as illegal immigrants, they have no rights or are afraid to assert them, that's a bad business plan.

but to democrats that is their destiny, they should have gone to Yale.


This is a bit of a jumble but doesn't support voting for Trump. Except for the part about fewer Americans having college degrees -- I do think some amount of college (not Yale but literally any college) helps people see through Trump because college tends to teach students to be critical thinkers.

But regarding wages, it's democrats who have argued in favor of a living wage (including for immigrants). Raising the minimum wage makes it harder for immigrant labor to make wages lower via competition because it creates a floor.

Democrats have made access to health care a central policy goal of the last 30 years and have done more to help working class Americans gain access to health care than the Republican party has. Trump attempted to undo that progress during his first administration by repealing the ACA and was only thwarted by members of his own party who refused to do it.

Agree businesses who base their business plan on hiring illegal immigrants and paying them poverty wages are bad businesses. Like for instance real estate developers often depend on cheap immigrant labor for construction in order to maximize their profits. This is both illegal and unethical. I wonder which one of the two major party candidates have exploited immigrant labor to build wealth?

Regarding elitism and Yale specifically, there is one candidate on the ballot this year for the White House with a degree from Yale and his name is JD Vance (he's also consistently the most condescending of the candidates unsurprisingly). Trump also attended an Ivy. Neither of the Democratic candidates attended Ivy League colleges -- Harris attended an HBCU and a state university for law school and Walz attended two state universities.

So I truly don't understand how what you wrote can be an argument in favor of Trump and against Harris.


NP. It is decidedly not pro-labor to allow the country to be flooded with low skill labor. How can you not see that? Democrats used to get it. They don’t anymore.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:36     Subject: I don’t get it!

None of the “arguments” for Trump actually support Trump. They just take whatever favors the Dems and claim it favors the Republicans and say it over and over again in their echo chambers.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:33     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Join the club. The rest of the world is wondering the same.


Here is a clue. His 4 years:

low inflation + low interest rates
no new wars
better border security
tax cutes




Agreed.

And the alternative is a disaster. She can’t articulate her position on any issue, other than abortion. She had one who job during her stint as VP, the border czar, and she failed miserably. She ran from the issue because she thought it might hurt her politically.


Harris was never the border czar as vice president. She was never put in charge of border security. You’re parroting a misleading MAGA talking point.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:33     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve voted since 1976 and I’ve always voted Republican until 2020 and I don’t regret that vote even though I’m not a Biden fan. I just don’t understand how this can be a close race and that Trump can win. With his former cabinet members, his staff and his military leadership almost all against him how is he doing so well? If it’s not a cult I don’t know what it is. Like I said, I’m a hard core Republican and not some crazy liberal. We can survive four years of Harris but four years of an unleashed Trump scares the hell out of me.


only 35% of the US working population have college degrees.

the educated elite assume that the working class is content with overwhelming immigration keeping low wages and no health care.

how dare they want a living wage.

If your business can't pay a livable wage, then your business is a failure. That's how capitalism works.

If you base your business on workers who aren't making a living wage because as illegal immigrants, they have no rights or are afraid to assert them, that's a bad business plan.

but to democrats that is their destiny, they should have gone to Yale.


This is a bit of a jumble but doesn't support voting for Trump. Except for the part about fewer Americans having college degrees -- I do think some amount of college (not Yale but literally any college) helps people see through Trump because college tends to teach students to be critical thinkers.

But regarding wages, it's democrats who have argued in favor of a living wage (including for immigrants). Raising the minimum wage makes it harder for immigrant labor to make wages lower via competition because it creates a floor.

Democrats have made access to health care a central policy goal of the last 30 years and have done more to help working class Americans gain access to health care than the Republican party has. Trump attempted to undo that progress during his first administration by repealing the ACA and was only thwarted by members of his own party who refused to do it.

Agree businesses who base their business plan on hiring illegal immigrants and paying them poverty wages are bad businesses. Like for instance real estate developers often depend on cheap immigrant labor for construction in order to maximize their profits. This is both illegal and unethical. I wonder which one of the two major party candidates have exploited immigrant labor to build wealth?

Regarding elitism and Yale specifically, there is one candidate on the ballot this year for the White House with a degree from Yale and his name is JD Vance (he's also consistently the most condescending of the candidates unsurprisingly). Trump also attended an Ivy. Neither of the Democratic candidates attended Ivy League colleges -- Harris attended an HBCU and a state university for law school and Walz attended two state universities.

So I truly don't understand how what you wrote can be an argument in favor of Trump and against Harris.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:14     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve voted since 1976 and I’ve always voted Republican until 2020 and I don’t regret that vote even though I’m not a Biden fan. I just don’t understand how this can be a close race and that Trump can win. With his former cabinet members, his staff and his military leadership almost all against him how is he doing so well? If it’s not a cult I don’t know what it is. Like I said, I’m a hard core Republican and not some crazy liberal. We can survive four years of Harris but four years of an unleashed Trump scares the hell out of me.


I don’t get your mindset. We cannot afford trillions more in reckless spending and debt. We cannot afford to continue this crushing inflation and unaffordable housing. We can’t afford to have millions more illegal immigrants enter the country. Four years more of the Biden-Harris administration scares me and tens of millions of other Americans.


Trump did nothing about those issues.


Remember when he said he was going to be the infrastructure president? Nothing. Remember when he said he was going to address mental illness? Nothing.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:10     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay a vote for Harris is basically a vote to attempt to stack Suprime Court, Change the scope of illegal immigration. Remember millions have already been allowed to sneak in and hurt our schools, hospitals and safety. You do know there are 13,009 murderers walking around thanks to a harris basically not enforcing anything. Stay in Mexico was
stopped first week Biden was in office.
Not to mention she wants pricing fixing which will cause bread lines. High taxes. There is a reason she will not do a press conference and only gaggles with planned questions from friendly media. No way can I see anyone voting for her. The country will be negatively affected for generations.


You forgot eliminating the fillisbuster. That alone should disqualify her. That people can't see how antithetical that is to represesentative government just floors me.


Ok cool... So an insurrection is what? I'll wait.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:07     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve voted since 1976 and I’ve always voted Republican until 2020 and I don’t regret that vote even though I’m not a Biden fan. I just don’t understand how this can be a close race and that Trump can win. With his former cabinet members, his staff and his military leadership almost all against him how is he doing so well? If it’s not a cult I don’t know what it is. Like I said, I’m a hard core Republican and not some crazy liberal. We can survive four years of Harris but four years of an unleashed Trump scares the hell out of me.


only 35% of the US working population have college degrees.

the educated elite assume that the working class is content with overwhelming immigration keeping low wages and no health care.

how dare they want a living wage.

If your business can't pay a livable wage, then your business is a failure. That's how capitalism works.

If you base your business on workers who aren't making a living wage because as illegal immigrants, they have no rights or are afraid to assert them, that's a bad business plan.

but to democrats that is their destiny, they should have gone to Yale.


This is so backwards. It’s democrats who fight for livable wages, worker safety and rights, and affordable housing and healthcare.

It’s republicans who want businesses to deregulate everything so corporations can treat their workers as bad as they want to to maximize profit for shareholders.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:03     Subject: I don’t get it!

Trumpers never consider the fantastic economy that Obama handed him and never remember than every single time an R is in office, they blow up the debt and deficit and someone has to pay those bills eventually. Those tax cuts aren’t free.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:02     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:I’ve voted since 1976 and I’ve always voted Republican until 2020 and I don’t regret that vote even though I’m not a Biden fan. I just don’t understand how this can be a close race and that Trump can win. With his former cabinet members, his staff and his military leadership almost all against him how is he doing so well? If it’s not a cult I don’t know what it is. Like I said, I’m a hard core Republican and not some crazy liberal. We can survive four years of Harris but four years of an unleashed Trump scares the hell out of me.


only 35% of the US working population have college degrees.

the educated elite assume that the working class is content with overwhelming immigration keeping low wages and no health care.

how dare they want a living wage.

If your business can't pay a livable wage, then your business is a failure. That's how capitalism works.

If you base your business on workers who aren't making a living wage because as illegal immigrants, they have no rights or are afraid to assert them, that's a bad business plan.

but to democrats that is their destiny, they should have gone to Yale.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 09:00     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:On a different thread, I stated how I was visiting for Trump. I was instantly called a Nazi out of context.

I’m a mature adult and can ignore that, but you don’t get how the name calling and hatred has fueled his popularity and made some groups want to fight back?


I mean I don’t? First of all I think you have a very blinkered view if you thino name calling and hatred only goes one way but second of all of someone calls me Nazi that doesn’t make me want to vote a certain way.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 08:56     Subject: I don’t get it!

*voting for. Not visiting
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 08:56     Subject: I don’t get it!

On a different thread, I stated how I was visiting for Trump. I was instantly called a Nazi out of context.

I’m a mature adult and can ignore that, but you don’t get how the name calling and hatred has fueled his popularity and made some groups want to fight back?
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 08:53     Subject: I don’t get it!

None of us who are not Trump cult members understand it. I think the key is lack of education and the prevalence of misinformation. We are less inundated by it here in the DC metro area, where most people are well-informed and educated, but in other parts of the country the entire population is deluded, to where deluded seems normal. When it comes from all sides all the time, propaganda is very effective. This has been done deliberately and paired with a poor educational system and even censorship, so it's no accident that large populations, whole states, have been duped into thinking Trump is a hero rather than the con artist and criminal that he actually is.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2024 08:49     Subject: I don’t get it!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Okay a vote for Harris is basically a vote to attempt to stack Suprime Court, Change the scope of illegal immigration. Remember millions have already been allowed to sneak in and hurt our schools, hospitals and safety. You do know there are 13,009 murderers walking around thanks to a harris basically not enforcing anything. Stay in Mexico was
stopped first week Biden was in office.
Not to mention she wants pricing fixing which will cause bread lines. High taxes. There is a reason she will not do a press conference and only gaggles with planned questions from friendly media. No way can I see anyone voting for her. The country will be negatively affected for generations.


You forgot eliminating the fillisbuster. That alone should disqualify her. That people can't see how antithetical that is to represesentative government just floors me.


That you could claim that a supermajority requirement that appears nowhere in the Constitution is antithetical to representative government just floor me.

The filibuster is a made-up anti-democratic parliamentary rule that exacerbates the anti-democratic structure of the Senate . If you want to try to defend it feel free but to defend on ground of representative democracy is nuts.

(Unless of course the only people who count in your mind are the people of Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, etc, which probably is the case so never mind)