Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:50
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
The issue is that there can be several opinions on whether the woman is close enough to death!!!
Doctors can be imprisoned if they act too soon so they must wait until the situation is dire. Not really fair to them either.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:49
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
And yet those MAGA women still say that no woman is denied medical care if their life is at risk.
The issue with those exceptions for the health of the mother is that who decides when she is close enough to death to deserve treatment?
Also, is that who we are? Waiting until she's almost dead to help?
Would never happen to men. Never.
The issue with those exceptions for the health of the mother is that who decides when she is close enough to death to deserve treatment?
Also, is that who we are? Waiting until she's almost dead to help?
Would never happen to men. Never.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:36
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Don’t worry ladies .
Paxton will decide it’s an emergency after you’re dead.
Your husband can sue on your behalf.
Makes it all better!
Paxton will decide it’s an emergency after you’re dead.
Your husband can sue on your behalf.
Makes it all better!
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:33
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
No, it was illegal.
“But Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary.
The law did not account for the possibility of a future emergency, one that could develop in hours or days without intervention, doctors told ProPublica.
Barnica was technically still stable. But lying in the hospital with her cervix open wider than a baseball left her uterus exposed to bacteria and placed her at high risk of developing sepsis, experts told ProPublica. Infections can move fast and be hard to control once they take hold.”
The law doesn’t need to define medical emergency because that is what doctors are trained to identify. She was left 9cm dilated for over 40 hrs, with zero intervention. Of course that is an emergency and the doctor failing to act can’t hide behind abortion restrictions. They will be sued and they will lose
"Of course that is an emergency" -- until Ken Paxton decides it isn't. Who's going to stop him from determining this? That man and his AG are salivating at the thought of prosecuting people for abortions.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:20
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
The fetus was 17 weeks old with a heartbeat. The doctors believed she was miscarrying, but the fetus was still alive. What if there had been a miracle? A doctor intervening guarantees the woman aborts the baby. What’s the medical code on that? Is it classified as a miscarriage if it happens naturally, but an abortion as soon as a medication is introduced to expel the fetus?
It’s just so shortsighted to see these government forced situations as black/white decisions. The doctors are over a barrel while the state of Texas and the Christian right are willing to bet a woman’s life on a miracle.
It's not hard. It's a medical decision. not a legal one.
I agree that these are all medical decisions and not legal ones, but the State of Texas has created a legal quagmire for the medical profession around abortion and you don’t see how these legalities are interfering with treatment? Ken Paxton threatened hospitals with LEGAL action after a judge GRANTED (both legal processes by the way, and not medical ones) a TX woman an abortion yet you refuse to acknowledged the difficulties for doctors. You are so blinded it’s hopeless.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:13
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
But lawyers are deciding when it's an emergency, not doctors. See Kate Cox from TX.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:12
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
No, it was illegal.
“But Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary.
The law did not account for the possibility of a future emergency, one that could develop in hours or days without intervention, doctors told ProPublica.
Barnica was technically still stable. But lying in the hospital with her cervix open wider than a baseball left her uterus exposed to bacteria and placed her at high risk of developing sepsis, experts told ProPublica. Infections can move fast and be hard to control once they take hold.”
The law doesn’t need to define medical emergency because that is what doctors are trained to identify. She was left 9cm dilated for over 40 hrs, with zero intervention. Of course that is an emergency and the doctor failing to act can’t hide behind abortion restrictions. They will be sued and they will lose
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:12
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
Until Ken Paxton comes in and says hold on there, that wasn't close enough to death to have given an abortion and then prosecutes doctors, medical staff, and a hospital.
We all know he is just waiting to pounce. He can't wait to prosecute an abortion case.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:05
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
If mother doesn't die you can't prove that it was a life threatening emergency.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:02
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Not wanting to get prosecuted by the state, even if on false premises, if there is someone who decides to go after them for performing an abortion when there is still a heartbeat. Given how litigious-friendly Texas is in this area, it's a legitimate concern. At least with a patient dying you just have to deal with a lawsuit that insurance can pay off. I mean, if you had to choose either path - possible prosecution and jail time (even if temporary while waiting for appeals process) or possible wrongful death lawsuit that your insurance would pay off, which would you choose?
You are depraved.
Depraved? Ken Paxton has made it clear that his lawyers are going to decide. And they’re going to be deciding to the benefit of the woman or doctor. Texas has created their own dystopia.
*not to the benefit
Anonymous
10/30/2024 20:01
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Not wanting to get prosecuted by the state, even if on false premises, if there is someone who decides to go after them for performing an abortion when there is still a heartbeat. Given how litigious-friendly Texas is in this area, it's a legitimate concern. At least with a patient dying you just have to deal with a lawsuit that insurance can pay off. I mean, if you had to choose either path - possible prosecution and jail time (even if temporary while waiting for appeals process) or possible wrongful death lawsuit that your insurance would pay off, which would you choose?
You are depraved.
Depraved? Ken Paxton has made it clear that his lawyers are going to decide. And they’re going to be deciding to the benefit of the woman or doctor. Texas has created their own dystopia.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 19:30
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
You’re really having trouble dealing with the reality of your crappy politics. We told you. Forced birther politics kill women. They kill babies. They endanger everyone’s health. But you thought you knew better.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 19:28
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Not wanting to get prosecuted by the state, even if on false premises, if there is someone who decides to go after them for performing an abortion when there is still a heartbeat. Given how litigious-friendly Texas is in this area, it's a legitimate concern. At least with a patient dying you just have to deal with a lawsuit that insurance can pay off. I mean, if you had to choose either path - possible prosecution and jail time (even if temporary while waiting for appeals process) or possible wrongful death lawsuit that your insurance would pay off, which would you choose?
You are depraved.
What's depraved are the laws, and the people who wrote and passed them, that put medical professionals in the position of having to choose.
Anonymous
10/30/2024 19:26
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
So who is going to decide if it is malpractice? The state medical board that licenses doctors, or some AG who doesn't know medicine? Maybe a Trump appointed judge who thinks women have bodies that "shut that thang down" so they can't get pregnant when raped -- is that who decides?
Look at what this person wants to do. Look at the perspective of people who want to charge doctors for being hamstring by the laws they passed.
PP, what are you going to do when doctors refuse to practice in these states, as so many are doing? Shackle them to the bedframe? So then at the border and arrest them for leaving?
Anonymous
10/30/2024 19:23
Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is doctor malpractice. The baby’s head was already exiting the cervix and she needed medicine to speed up the delivery. It’s not even about abortion which is allowed under Texas law for a “medical emergency” anyway, she was in the middle of a miscarriage that they allowed to go on too long.
But the heart hadn't stopped beating and under Texas law that was the relevant part.
You see, if you think that doctors should be able to exercise reasonable judgment, then you should advocate for laws that allow doctors to do just that. Because these doctors certainly did not want this woman to die, and they also didn't want to go to jail - and they chose the latter over the former.
THAT is the system that Texas Republicans have in place, thanks to Donald Trump - serial rapist, payer of many abortions.
These are not reasonable laws. You can talk out both sides of your mouth trying to insist they are. But this woman is dead. I think her argument is more persuasive.
Speeding up delivery is not an abortion, for one. She was already delivering the child.
In addition, Texas law allows for abortions in a “medical emergency” so again, this is doctor malpractice.
Correct. The doctor failed to recognize medical the distress his patient was in and failed to provide emergency treatment. Unfortunately this happens with or without abortion bans. You internet warriors can find many many articles of pregnant women who get septic, die, bleed to death because their OB/Gyn waited too long or did the wrong thing- even in blue states. It’s MALPRACTICE
I guess you think the doctors need to go to jail for not giving her an abortion then.
What a great system.
Of course. Failing to treat a patient in an emergent situation that leads to their death should be prosecuted. It was clear this was an emergency and he failed to act. What’s the gray area?
Because the emergency treatment she needed was illegal.
Actually it wasn’t, which is why it is malpractice. Emergency treatment IS legal, even abortions, in every single state
No, it was illegal.
“But Texas’ new abortion ban had just gone into effect. It required physicians to confirm the absence of a fetal heartbeat before intervening unless there was a “medical emergency,” which the law did not define. It required doctors to make written notes on the patient’s condition and the reason abortion was necessary.
The law did not account for the possibility of a future emergency, one that could develop in hours or days without intervention, doctors told ProPublica.
Barnica was technically still stable. But lying in the hospital with her cervix open wider than a baseball left her uterus exposed to bacteria and placed her at high risk of developing sepsis, experts told ProPublica. Infections can move fast and be hard to control once they take hold.”