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Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

The police say there are more traffic deaths in DC that are caused by pedestrians than by drivers who are speeding (12 vs. 9).

You are getting an awful amount of mileage from one table in an annual report from a couple of years ago. But we are still all waiting for you to explain how it is that vehicular crashes will always have a single cause.

Those are the most recent figures from the police department, but the numbers don't really change that much from year to year, certainly not in a statistically significant way...

We are still all waiting for you to explain how it is that vehicular crashes will always have a single cause.

The police list the "predominant cause" of traffic deaths. In 2022 (the most recent year), they say speeding drivers were responsible for nine of 35 traffic deaths in DC that year. Which is almost identical to the 2018 numbers when they said speeding drivers were responsible for nine of 36 traffic deaths. Which implies all the traffic calming measures DC has instituted haven't really made any difference. I guess if it was that easy to reduce traffic deaths, we would have done it a long time ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

The police say there are more traffic deaths in DC that are caused by pedestrians than by drivers who are speeding (12 vs. 9).

You are getting an awful amount of mileage from one table in an annual report from a couple of years ago. But we are still all waiting for you to explain how it is that vehicular crashes will always have a single cause.

Those are the most recent figures from the police department, but the numbers don't really change that much from year to year, certainly not in a statistically significant way...

We are still all waiting for you to explain how it is that vehicular crashes will always have a single cause.

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Anonymous wrote:All these things can be true:
-Drivers need to drive safer and slower.
-Many DC cameras are set up to maximize revenue and have little to do with safety
-That said, cameras can and do effectively change driver habits when deployed with safety in mind.
-If safety is the primary goal, big honking signs saying MANY SPEED CAMERAS AHEAD would be deployed. (Note: They are not.)
-Many DC speed limits are set artificially low in order to make the 10-over ticket-trigger lower. For instance, a speed limit of 25 mph on Conn. Ave in DC is a joke. 30 used to be the limit. But now, 35 will get you a ticket, not 40, so that's why it is set at 25.
-MD and VA drivers should pay their tickets. I paid my MD ticket (only one so far in 10 years!). Was last year in Rockville, and it was $40. Which brings me to my final point...
-DC's $100 fine is set too high and is obviously predatory. If deterrence --not revenue-- is the goal, make it $50. People will get the message!

The $100 fine is applied to drivers who are traveling at least 11 mph above the posted limit. Per the point above, such speeds are incredibly dangerous and the high fine is warranted to deter them. The argument that lowering the fine is necessary to deliver the "message" is silly. What DC should do, however, is introduce smaller fines ($40 or $50) for drivers caught doing 5-10 mph above the limit..

Dude, 35 is not incredibly dangerous. You're high or mentally broken if you're actually believing that. $100 is an absurd fine. $50? Yeah, sure, I'll pay that and not grouse whatsoever. But you're just the exact type of person literally every driver hates.

Don't limit it to drivers. Everyone hates people with that level of control freakishness.

“control freakishness” = enforcing laws needed to protect DC residents from injury and death?

Where the hell do you people come from exactly? Dollars to donuts you are the same folk railing against shoplifting and people smoking pot in public. In other words, total hypocrites.

Automatic cameras everywhere issuing $50 fines anytime anyone is 5mph over any speed limit. That seems very sane and not at all controlling.

If you don’t want a ticket, don’t speed. Or don’t drive. My spouse got one speed camera ticket a few years ago, and since then, we’ve both driven more slowly. Haven’t gotten a second.

Or just pay attention to where the cameras are. They even put up signs warning you in advance that a camera is ahead. I think so many people are buried in their phones so they don't notice the signs or the cameras, but it's really not hard to just slow down in the very specific locations where the cameras are.

Not in DC.
In MD, yes there are signs but Not in DC.
It's a money making operation in DC, not safety.

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Anonymous wrote:All these things can be true:
-Drivers need to drive safer and slower.
-Many DC cameras are set up to maximize revenue and have little to do with safety
-That said, cameras can and do effectively change driver habits when deployed with safety in mind.
-If safety is the primary goal, big honking signs saying MANY SPEED CAMERAS AHEAD would be deployed. (Note: They are not.)
-Many DC speed limits are set artificially low in order to make the 10-over ticket-trigger lower. For instance, a speed limit of 25 mph on Conn. Ave in DC is a joke. 30 used to be the limit. But now, 35 will get you a ticket, not 40, so that's why it is set at 25.
-MD and VA drivers should pay their tickets. I paid my MD ticket (only one so far in 10 years!). Was last year in Rockville, and it was $40. Which brings me to my final point...
-DC's $100 fine is set too high and is obviously predatory. If deterrence --not revenue-- is the goal, make it $50. People will get the message!

The $100 fine is applied to drivers who are traveling at least 11 mph above the posted limit. Per the point above, such speeds are incredibly dangerous and the high fine is warranted to deter them. The argument that lowering the fine is necessary to deliver the "message" is silly. What DC should do, however, is introduce smaller fines ($40 or $50) for drivers caught doing 5-10 mph above the limit..

Dude, 35 is not incredibly dangerous. You're high or mentally broken if you're actually believing that. $100 is an absurd fine. $50? Yeah, sure, I'll pay that and not grouse whatsoever. But you're just the exact type of person literally every driver hates.

Don't limit it to drivers. Everyone hates people with that level of control freakishness.

“control freakishness” = enforcing laws needed to protect DC residents from injury and death?

Where the hell do you people come from exactly? Dollars to donuts you are the same folk railing against shoplifting and people smoking pot in public. In other words, total hypocrites.

Automatic cameras everywhere issuing $50 fines anytime anyone is 5mph over any speed limit. That seems very sane and not at all controlling.

If you don’t want a ticket, don’t speed. Or don’t drive. My spouse got one speed camera ticket a few years ago, and since then, we’ve both driven more slowly. Haven’t gotten a second.

Or just pay attention to where the cameras are. They even put up signs warning you in advance that a camera is ahead. I think so many people are buried in their phones so they don't notice the signs or the cameras, but it's really not hard to just slow down in the very specific locations where the cameras are.

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Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

The police say there are more traffic deaths in DC that are caused by pedestrians than by drivers who are speeding (12 vs. 9).

You are getting an awful amount of mileage from one table in an annual report from a couple of years ago. But we are still all waiting for you to explain how it is that vehicular crashes will always have a single cause.

Those are the most recent figures from the police department, but the numbers don't really change that much from year to year, certainly not in a statistically significant way...

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Anonymous wrote:All these things can be true:
-Drivers need to drive safer and slower.
-Many DC cameras are set up to maximize revenue and have little to do with safety
-That said, cameras can and do effectively change driver habits when deployed with safety in mind.
-If safety is the primary goal, big honking signs saying MANY SPEED CAMERAS AHEAD would be deployed. (Note: They are not.)
-Many DC speed limits are set artificially low in order to make the 10-over ticket-trigger lower. For instance, a speed limit of 25 mph on Conn. Ave in DC is a joke. 30 used to be the limit. But now, 35 will get you a ticket, not 40, so that's why it is set at 25.
-MD and VA drivers should pay their tickets. I paid my MD ticket (only one so far in 10 years!). Was last year in Rockville, and it was $40. Which brings me to my final point...
-DC's $100 fine is set too high and is obviously predatory. If deterrence --not revenue-- is the goal, make it $50. People will get the message!

The $100 fine is applied to drivers who are traveling at least 11 mph above the posted limit. Per the point above, such speeds are incredibly dangerous and the high fine is warranted to deter them. The argument that lowering the fine is necessary to deliver the "message" is silly. What DC should do, however, is introduce smaller fines ($40 or $50) for drivers caught doing 5-10 mph above the limit..

Dude, 35 is not incredibly dangerous. You're high or mentally broken if you're actually believing that. $100 is an absurd fine. $50? Yeah, sure, I'll pay that and not grouse whatsoever. But you're just the exact type of person literally every driver hates.

Don't limit it to drivers. Everyone hates people with that level of control freakishness.

“control freakishness” = enforcing laws needed to protect DC residents from injury and death?

Where the hell do you people come from exactly? Dollars to donuts you are the same folk railing against shoplifting and people smoking pot in public. In other words, total hypocrites.

Automatic cameras everywhere issuing $50 fines anytime anyone is 5mph over any speed limit. That seems very sane and not at all controlling.

If you don’t want a ticket, don’t speed. Or don’t drive. My spouse got one speed camera ticket a few years ago, and since then, we’ve both driven more slowly. Haven’t gotten a second.

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Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

The police say there are more traffic deaths in DC that are caused by pedestrians than by drivers who are speeding (12 vs. 9).

You are getting an awful amount of mileage from one table in an annual report from a couple of years ago. But we are still all waiting for you to explain how it is that vehicular crashes will always have a single cause.

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Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

What an interesting viewpoint.

I wish my neighbor, a Washingtonian, had experienced this safety when she crossed the street. Instead she was killed by a driver who had amassed thousands in speeding tickets.

But I guess her death doesn't really matter because she's only one a "few" dead Washingtonians, right?

We don't need to worry about enforcing speed limits or bringing any penalties upon those who cannot control themselves when they get behind the wheel.

The lives of a few sacrificial Washingtonians are a fair price to pay to give our suburban commuters a few extra seconds to stare at their phones before the next traffic light changes.

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Anonymous wrote: I live in Fairfax County and dread going into DC, and fear of getting a ticket is high up on the list of reasons why. I am very careful and have not gotten a traffic ticket in DC yet, but I am constantly in fear of inadvertently being stuck partially in an intersection in gridlock when the light changes, or turn incorrectly, or whatever.

It is obviously a way for the city to get money.

I do not need to go in any more for work, and definitely not for a restaurant, there are plenty where I live. But fear of tickets makes me want to go even less. I would feel differently if it were actual police monitoring and giving tickets.

Virginia speeding ticket. This is scary. Average cost $350-$400!

Speed: The fine is $6 per mile over the speed limit.
Location: The fine increases to $7 per mile over the limit in a school or construction zone, and $8 per mile over the limit in a residential area.
Fees: There is also a $51 processing fee.
Total cost: On average, the total cost of a speeding ticket in Virginia is between $350 and $400, including taxes and other fees.

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Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

The police say there are more traffic deaths in DC that are caused by pedestrians than by drivers who are speeding (12 vs. 9).

Anonymous wrote: I live in Fairfax County and dread going into DC, and fear of getting a ticket is high up on the list of reasons why. I am very careful and have not gotten a traffic ticket in DC yet, but I am constantly in fear of inadvertently being stuck partially in an intersection in gridlock when the light changes, or turn incorrectly, or whatever.

It is obviously a way for the city to get money.

I do not need to go in any more for work, and definitely not for a restaurant, there are plenty where I live. But fear of tickets makes me want to go even less. I would feel differently if it were actual police monitoring and giving tickets.

Anonymous wrote:The streets are quite safe. Accidents are rare. Very few Washingtonians die in traffic accidents. If they weren't safe, we wouldn't allow people to put children on bikes on them.

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Anonymous wrote:All these things can be true:
-Drivers need to drive safer and slower.
-Many DC cameras are set up to maximize revenue and have little to do with safety
-That said, cameras can and do effectively change driver habits when deployed with safety in mind.
-If safety is the primary goal, big honking signs saying MANY SPEED CAMERAS AHEAD would be deployed. (Note: They are not.)
-Many DC speed limits are set artificially low in order to make the 10-over ticket-trigger lower. For instance, a speed limit of 25 mph on Conn. Ave in DC is a joke. 30 used to be the limit. But now, 35 will get you a ticket, not 40, so that's why it is set at 25.
-MD and VA drivers should pay their tickets. I paid my MD ticket (only one so far in 10 years!). Was last year in Rockville, and it was $40. Which brings me to my final point...
-DC's $100 fine is set too high and is obviously predatory. If deterrence --not revenue-- is the goal, make it $50. People will get the message!

The $100 fine is applied to drivers who are traveling at least 11 mph above the posted limit. Per the point above, such speeds are incredibly dangerous and the high fine is warranted to deter them. The argument that lowering the fine is necessary to deliver the "message" is silly. What DC should do, however, is introduce smaller fines ($40 or $50) for drivers caught doing 5-10 mph above the limit..

Dude, 35 is not incredibly dangerous. You're high or mentally broken if you're actually believing that. $100 is an absurd fine. $50? Yeah, sure, I'll pay that and not grouse whatsoever. But you're just the exact type of person literally every driver hates.

Don't limit it to drivers. Everyone hates people with that level of control freakishness.

“control freakishness” = enforcing laws needed to protect DC residents from injury and death?

Where the hell do you people come from exactly? Dollars to donuts you are the same folk railing against shoplifting and people smoking pot in public. In other words, total hypocrites.

Automatic cameras everywhere issuing $50 fines anytime anyone is 5mph over any speed limit. That seems very sane and not at all controlling.

Yes, it does.

If you can't drive without speeding, you shouldn't be driving at all.

The voices in your head are not a representative sample of sanity.

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Anonymous wrote:All these things can be true:
-Drivers need to drive safer and slower.
-Many DC cameras are set up to maximize revenue and have little to do with safety
-That said, cameras can and do effectively change driver habits when deployed with safety in mind.
-If safety is the primary goal, big honking signs saying MANY SPEED CAMERAS AHEAD would be deployed. (Note: They are not.)
-Many DC speed limits are set artificially low in order to make the 10-over ticket-trigger lower. For instance, a speed limit of 25 mph on Conn. Ave in DC is a joke. 30 used to be the limit. But now, 35 will get you a ticket, not 40, so that's why it is set at 25.
-MD and VA drivers should pay their tickets. I paid my MD ticket (only one so far in 10 years!). Was last year in Rockville, and it was $40. Which brings me to my final point...
-DC's $100 fine is set too high and is obviously predatory. If deterrence --not revenue-- is the goal, make it $50. People will get the message!

The $100 fine is applied to drivers who are traveling at least 11 mph above the posted limit. Per the point above, such speeds are incredibly dangerous and the high fine is warranted to deter them. The argument that lowering the fine is necessary to deliver the "message" is silly. What DC should do, however, is introduce smaller fines ($40 or $50) for drivers caught doing 5-10 mph above the limit..

Dude, 35 is not incredibly dangerous. You're high or mentally broken if you're actually believing that. $100 is an absurd fine. $50? Yeah, sure, I'll pay that and not grouse whatsoever. But you're just the exact type of person literally every driver hates.

Don't limit it to drivers. Everyone hates people with that level of control freakishness.

“control freakishness” = enforcing laws needed to protect DC residents from injury and death?

Where the hell do you people come from exactly? Dollars to donuts you are the same folk railing against shoplifting and people smoking pot in public. In other words, total hypocrites.

Automatic cameras everywhere issuing $50 fines anytime anyone is 5mph over any speed limit. That seems very sane and not at all controlling.

Yes, it does.

If you can't drive without speeding, you shouldn't be driving at all.