Anonymous wrote:This was a stunning indictment of Michigan. From the NY Times, of all places.

Combined with the already low stats of its students (more than 25% have below a 1350 and only 50% bother to submit an SAT score), Michigan's reputation is sinking further.

Oh you again. You're just a Michigan hater. I think of you as "below 1350 troll". You seem to think SATs are the ultimate measure of human worth. And you never have any other arguments beyond banging on about the SAT distribution.

I don't mind the critical article. It makes some valid points. But quick math suggests $250M's not that large a fraction of Michigan tuition revenue over the multi-year period of time it was likely spent. 2023 tuition revenue alone was $1.6B. Just one year.

And based on that article, that effort, regardless of how you feel about it, was partly an employer/employee relations initiative as well. So the spending also should be compared to total revenues and initiatives beyond just educating students (running a medical center, etc.) Which are more in the magnitude of $10B a year based on Googling quickly. So maybe the $250 mil is out of a denominator in the magnitude of $100B-ish or more.

I prefer to associate with organizations that try to improve society even if they stumble. So, I think it's fair to take the criticism and move on. Articles like that always cherrypick quotes from compelling people. That's how the rhetorical points get made. And that's o.k. There's no special relationship that I know about between the New York Times ("of all places") and Michigan that would make critical reporting unexpected.

Our society has a lot of problems. No surprise that a university can't fix them all. But doing nothing and spending nothing, or spending on things outside the University's mission (like pre-school) doesn't seem very enlightened.

This was a stunning indictment of Michigan. From the NY Times, of all places.

Combined with the already low stats of its students (more than 25% have below a 1350 and only 50% bother to submit an SAT score), Michigan's reputation is sinking further.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't help but think black students would've been better served had UMich used that money to build high-quality public high schools in Detroit.

DEI has done nothing but enrich a cohort of administrators.

This. The 250 million could have gone for scholarships for poor students of all races.

Michigan already offers generous scholarships for poor in-state students. Please see this link.

https://goblueguarantee.umich.edu/ann-arbor/

Anonymous wrote:DEI is as socially awkward as having your grandparents or parents try to force friendships on you with a wagging finger.
There are ways to socially integrate without shaming and blaming involved. America isn't good at that.

You mean those savage white parents and grandparents that wore hoods, or the sophisticated ones that just made sure POC walked on the other side of the road? Please. We know which finger white ancestors were wagging and at whom.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

White people caused the extreme inequalities and injustices.

White people have to fix it.

Don’t oppress someone for centuries and then expect them to solve all of the problems white people have foisted upon them.

Racism is a white person problem.

Not quite accurate.

Some white people caused the inequalities and injustices, mostly generations ago.

Suggesting that ALL white people today are somehow responsible for this is the core mistake of the far left.

All people with the power to change things today are responsible.

That would include everyone and presumably apply to every historical injustice ever committed.

Are you really prepared to live that way?

Shouldn’t we strive for equality and breaking down barriers?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

White people caused the extreme inequalities and injustices.

White people have to fix it.

Don’t oppress someone for centuries and then expect them to solve all of the problems white people have foisted upon them.

Racism is a white person problem.

Not quite accurate.

Some white people caused the inequalities and injustices, mostly generations ago.

Suggesting that ALL white people today are somehow responsible for this is the core mistake of the far left.

All people with the power to change things today are responsible.

That would include everyone and presumably apply to every historical injustice ever committed.

Are you really prepared to live that way?

Has there been any reaction from Michigan to the article?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe people should study the etymology of the word slave. It's not a strictly European/African phenomenon. In fact, it goes back millenia. All cultures including modern day Africa and in our own hemisphere where child and sex trafficking still exist. Intellectual and physically lazy people cling to it like a binky instead of taking responsibility for their own lives and actions. It's really quite pathetic.

WTAF? You are exactly the reason why we need more DEI.

Yes let’s do more of something that doesn’t work. We’re not doing enough of a useless thing. Got any other great ideas? Or just a one trick pony?

Anonymous wrote:Maybe people should study the etymology of the word slave. It's not a strictly European/African phenomenon. In fact, it goes back millenia. All cultures including modern day Africa and in our own hemisphere where child and sex trafficking still exist. Intellectual and physically lazy people cling to it like a binky instead of taking responsibility for their own lives and actions. It's really quite pathetic.

WTAF? You are exactly the reason why we need more DEI.

Maybe people should study the etymology of the word slave. It's not a strictly European/African phenomenon. In fact, it goes back millenia. All cultures including modern day Africa and in our own hemisphere where child and sex trafficking still exist. Intellectual and physically lazy people cling to it like a binky instead of taking responsibility for their own lives and actions. It's really quite pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. This is a must-read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/16/magazine/dei-university-michigan.html?ogrp=ctr&unlocked_article_code=1.Sk4.khuL.zeH0cPySU9KZ&smid=url-share

“The fear is creating a hesitancy to teach what we would normally teach,” she said. Some of her accusers were white women, she recalled. It echoed an observation I heard repeatedly from faculty at Michigan: The most strident critics were sometimes not the most marginalized students, but peers who claimed to be fighting on their behalf.

This is the biggest problem in these racial debates. White people are the loudest virtue signalers and they need to take a supportive, secondary role instead of always claiming to be expert Karens because they had a vicarious epiphany after being forced to read an ethnic book in English class. They dilute the argument and their apologist zeal hurts any hope for honest dialogue.

White people caused the extreme inequalities and injustices.

White people have to fix it.

Don’t oppress someone for centuries and then expect them to solve all of the problems white people have foisted upon them.

Racism is a white person problem.

Agree but the point of this article is that these expensive DEI programs are not it. I personally HATE these types of programs- and honestly I feel they primarily benefit the people who run them- but I very much support diversity. I just don’t think this is the way to get there.

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Anonymous wrote:And this is why we're about to get another 4 years of Trump. Thanks, Michigan.

Certainly, systems can self-correct without the US settling for Donald J Trump (a convicted felon who has been accused of sexual assault by scores of women).

We can a great number of things without Heritage POSs.

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Anonymous wrote:DEI dead

We can only hope.

Please please please?

It’ll be like “CRT”.

DEI is as socially awkward as having your grandparents or parents try to force friendships on you with a wagging finger.
There are ways to socially integrate without shaming and blaming involved. America isn't good at that.

Not interested in reading NYT BS but love hearing about the implosion of DEI and hope it continues. What a horrific era of racist race-grifters.