Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:36
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?
This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.
The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.
Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.
You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.
Hunger Trump's social issues.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:30
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.
Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping
What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.
Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.
Explain please - what's so dumb about citing 4 presidents (against your two) that had nothing handed to them?
Seriously? I have to further explain the point? The whole point of being a MAGA/right-winger is telling yourself "Affirmative Action" and "DEI" (and all of the other racist buzzwords used to diminish the accomplishments of predominantly non-whites), is how anyone non-white gets ahead. Meanwhile, you have complete idiots handed everything to them or you simply ignore how dumb they are (like Palin and her 6 years/5 mediocre colleges to get a BA in communications) and pretend they deserve to be president or VP or heading up Fortune 500 companies.
The four presidents mentioned all earned what they have. This isn't about saying NO white males/females deserve to be in positions in power, it's the audacity on the right to shriek "DEI" when you vote for clowns handed everything and who had no business being accepted to the schools they got into. I don't understand how you people can't see your glaring hypocrisy when it comes to meritocracy.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:24
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.
1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children
Business would hire US citizens and train them
College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving
It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker
Globalization killed all the above.
gzlobalization that was the legacy of reagan/bush that clinton had to sign.
reagan/bush exported jobs, killed unions, destroyed public education, demonized (creating the welfare queen myth) and was devastating to the national debt that Bush Junior and Trump totally cratered in the name of "trickle down" economics.
Bush you say? The same Bush who's VP Darth Vader Dick Cheney is voting for Harris (along with many other holdouts from that administration and likely GWB himself, though I dont believe he has stated it publicly)? MAGA is a direct repudiation of neoconservatism from that era.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:19
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:America was much better when most children were raised in functional nuclear families.
Please define “functional “.
Defining “better” would be great, too, but let’s start with “functional”.
Quite a lot of what used to look functional on the surface involved alcohol, cigarettes, what now would be viewed as abusive behavior, and laws and social conventions that made it extremely difficult for women to leave highly problematic marriages.
So many biographies from children who survived supposedly “functional nuclear families” — and those are just the stories that got published.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:19
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.
1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children
Business would hire US citizens and train them
College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving
It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker
Globalization killed all the above.
gzlobalization that was the legacy of reagan/bush that clinton had to sign.
reagan/bush exported jobs, killed unions, destroyed public education, demonized (creating the welfare queen myth) and was devastating to the national debt that Bush Junior and Trump totally cratered in the name of "trickle down" economics.
How dare you mention that Republicans prioritized corp. profits for the very few at the top and decimated the labor force? That's why it's so laughable watching union workers vote Republican as if Trump and his daughter making cheap crap in third world sweatshops, will suddenly have American workers making it.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:19
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.
Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping
What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.
Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.
Explain please - what's so dumb about citing 4 presidents (against your two) that had nothing handed to them?
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:17
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clearly all Trump supporters and other republicans are avoiding this thread, so they aren't here to answer your question.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.
1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children
Business would hire US citizens and train them
College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving
It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker
So what policies are Trump proposing to get us there? Because tariffs and deporting migrant workers won't.
My take is those two are exactly what maga want. IME, aside from the nazis, the other maga are people who feel they and their kids can't compete today. The Democrats should take heed and try to take some of the edge off what we used to call 'globalism' in the 80s.
The Democrats passed the CHIPs Act, which is materially bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US. This is already in process.
Except the government got involved, overspent billions per usual and Intel flopped. The chips act is already an object failure.
the word you are looking for is abject and no, it isn't. It will take a decade to see the full results.
Google Intel and go to the news section. Just yesterday this headline came from WSJ: “How Intel Fell From Global Chip Champion to Takeover Target.”
Last week Qualcomm approached it about a takeover. Intel won’t be around in 10 years.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:17
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?
This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.
The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:17
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:This is the last time:
9/14/2001 when W united the country with a bullhorn. It did get highly partisan after this and has progressively gotten worse to this day because of morons in both parties.
It shouldn't take a terrorist attack for this sentiment and patriotism to happen more frequently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvsjOEzhzQ
You consider this great? You and 82% of grieving Americans were duped. W was warned by the previous administration’s National Security that ISIS was the greatest threat to America. He ignored the warnings of his own country’s security leaders.
W is very dumb, but just smart enough to avenge the assassination attempt on his daddy by a Kiwaiti. Not only did Condoleeza Rice warn him, but the Saudis insisted that Saddam Hussein had no collaboration with Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Prime Minister Tony Blair met with W and asked for proof. There was none. Britain knew W was wrong and obsessed.
Instead, W acted on Netanyahu’s “intelligence” to declare war on the wrong country— Iraq. This 20 year war destroyed us. But it did strengthen Iran. Making the connection, yet? I attribute this war debacle, and W flipping his vote from yes to no on allowing Ukraine’s NATO membership. There’s so much more— W let the assault weapons ban lapse. And there’s more…
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:17
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.
Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping
What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.
Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.
Explain it like you're talking to a 5 year old, since that's what you think maga voters are.
That I have to explain it because you don't know by now, is the problem. The people you've mentioned EARNED what they have. Their educations were not handed to them. Dubya was a C student who got into Yale and maintained his stellar mediocrity and got him into HBS. Trump was a sh*t student and only got into Wharton because of who his brother knew:
Bill Clinton: Rhodes Scholar (do you think his single mother's influence got him that?)
Obama: First black editor of HLR (Read above)
Carter: USNA, etc...
Truman: May not have had a degree, but if you look at his work history, NOTHING was handed to him.
Nothing was handed to any of the men you mentioned. Why do you tell yourself people like Bush and Trump should be respected for being born on third and handed EVERYTHING from that point on? There's nothing to respect about either of them.
Exactly. The pp named two that had everything handed to them and ignored 4 that had little or nothing "handed" to them.. So what's the pp's point?
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:16
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.
Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping
What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.
Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.
Explain it like you're talking to a 5 year old, since that's what you think maga voters are.
That I have to explain it because you don't know by now, is the problem. The people you've mentioned EARNED what they have. Their educations were not handed to them. Dubya was a C student who got into Yale and maintained his stellar mediocrity and got him into HBS. Trump was a sh*t student and only got into Wharton because of who his brother knew:
Bill Clinton: Rhodes Scholar (do you think his single mother's influence got him that?)
Obama: First black editor of HLR (Read above)
Carter: USNA, etc...
Truman: May not have had a degree, but if you look at his work history, NOTHING was handed to him.
Nothing was handed to any of the men you mentioned. Why do you tell yourself people like Bush and Trump should be respected for being born on third and handed EVERYTHING from that point on? There's nothing to respect about either of them.
It is ironic that Reagan is the only real "self made" republican leader since Eisenhower who came up through the military in a completely different era. Most of the modern republicans, even Romney, are not self-made; generally born on second or third base and then thumb their noses at everyone else who is still in the parking lot.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:14
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.
1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children
Business would hire US citizens and train them
College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving
It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker
Globalization killed all the above.
gzlobalization that was the legacy of reagan/bush that clinton had to sign.
reagan/bush exported jobs, killed unions, destroyed public education, demonized (creating the welfare queen myth) and was devastating to the national debt that Bush Junior and Trump totally cratered in the name of "trickle down" economics.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:13
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
BTW, let me throw in SCJ KBJ. A lot of racist idiots claiming she's a "DEI" hire.
She has more experience than most of the corrupt puppets Trump chose. Do you people even bother looking at CVs of the individuals you just deign to be "unworthy" when they're not white males?
She has more experience than most of the corrupt puppets Trump chose. Do you people even bother looking at CVs of the individuals you just deign to be "unworthy" when they're not white males?
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:11
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:America was much better when most children were raised in functional nuclear families.
For some, but not all. Many women were trapped in horrible abusive marriages with no way out.
Anonymous
09/22/2024 11:09
Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
m
The good things were mostly for white males. The goal is to try to make it for all people. And that is where the GOP white male grievance comes in. They cannot fathom sharing the pie.
Especially when they didn’t deserve the pie to begin with. If you genuinely believed in the best person for the job or the smartest getting into the Ivies, Dubya and Trump and countless other white males, would be the ones working in slaughterhouses and landscaping
What about Bill Clinton? What about Harry Truman? What about Barrack Obama? What about Jimmy Carter? Your post is ignorant.
Jesus, you guys really are embarrassingly dumb. No wonder Trump appeals to you.
Explain it like you're talking to a 5 year old, since that's what you think maga voters are.
That I have to explain it because you don't know by now, is the problem. The people you've mentioned EARNED what they have. Their educations were not handed to them. Dubya was a C student who got into Yale and maintained his stellar mediocrity and got him into HBS. Trump was a sh*t student and only got into Wharton because of who his brother knew:
Bill Clinton: Rhodes Scholar (do you think his single mother's influence got him that?)
Obama: First black editor of HLR (Read above)
Carter: USNA, etc...
Truman: May not have had a degree, but if you look at his work history, NOTHING was handed to him.
Nothing was handed to any of the men you mentioned. Why do you tell yourself people like Bush and Trump should be respected for being born on third and handed EVERYTHING from that point on? There's nothing to respect about either of them.