This has to be one of the worst examples of clickbait for a ranking system I’ve seen on this board. The list is laughable, in what alternate universe is Harvard ranked #9? They have UPenn over Harvard? C’mon!

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

UF has never been TO. Honor college 50% sat is 1500+

You are not comparing apples to apples if you ignore the kids getting in Test optional at other schools.

I am the "DP" to whom you responded.

You make two great points:

UF has never been TO and the standards for the UF Honors College are equivalent to those at the University of Georgia. Nevertheless, UF has to deal with overcrowding and lack of geographical diversity (even though the state of Florida is very diverse in other ways).

One way to compare would be to attend classes at several different highly ranked colleges and universities. The honors only classes at U Florida & at U Georgia are the most similar to all classes at highly ranked private colleges and universities.

Personally, I love the environment (social & academic) and myriad of opportunities found on SEC and Big Ten Conference campuses. Nevertheless, online classes (UF undergraduate business school) and large, crowded lecture halls for intro courses do dilute the educational experience.

Anonymous wrote:UMD 41...$uck it ND (42), UT (46), NYU (49), Wisconsin (50) and BC (59)!

you can thank Sergey Brin for that. at UMD, the Forbes American Leaders List measurement is almost all Sergey

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

UF has never been TO. Honor college 50% sat is 1500+

You are not comparing apples to apples if you ignore the kids getting in Test optional at other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

I have familiarity with the University of Florida, the University of Georgia, Emory, WashUStl, Georgetown, and UC-San Diego. The University of Florida is an excellent state school as are U Georgia & UC-San Diego, however U Florida is a bit overrated (and overcrowded).

Forbes makes a point to differentiate it's rankings from US News and to shock readers in order to garner attention.

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Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

The actual demand in free market is way more real than random magazine. I would add yield rate and student caliber in that mix as acceptance rate alone doesn't show the whole picture.

Popularity doesn't mean great outcome after graduation. Just ask the popular kids in MS.

In some cases you are correct, but in many cases you are incorrect.

First, you should define "great outcome" with the understanding that a very significant percentage of Americans have no interest whatsoever in living in NYC, Boston, Philly, or DC.

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Forbes doesn’t consider acceptance rates in their list, which I find refreshing.

+1 what does acceptance rate do for your success after graduation?

ROI
Graduation rate
Retention
Alumni network

It allows you to brag about where you went to school to people in your same professional and social cohort who do not care in the slightest.

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Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

The actual demand in free market is way more real than random magazine. I would add yield rate and student caliber in that mix as acceptance rate alone doesn't show the whole picture.

Popularity doesn't mean great outcome after graduation. Just ask the popular kids in MS.

Yes, outcome is one of the most important factors.
It is accounted for in the demand in the free market together with other factors.

If you want to strictly go by outcome, https://collegescorecard.ed.gov

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Anonymous wrote:I took a look and really makes zero sense. It is getting to the point where rankings are worthless. I focus on acceptance rate and rate of employment or grad school after. Also rate of graduation in four years. You have to look at metrics important to your family. Pell grants not helpful to us so not something we would focus on or grad research if you are not at a school with grad school also wouldn’t be a fit for us but might be for others.

Seriously? Acceptance rate? That can be so easily manipulated with marketing to unqualified and naive students. (Hello, U Chicago!)

The actual demand in free market is way more real than random magazine. I would add yield rate and student caliber in that mix as acceptance rate alone doesn't show the whole picture.

Popularity doesn't mean great outcome after graduation. Just ask the popular kids in MS.

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Forbes doesn’t consider acceptance rates in their list, which I find refreshing.

+1 what does acceptance rate do for your success after graduation?

ROI
Graduation rate
Retention
Alumni network

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This seems like a list without payoffs and manipulation.

Ummm, Carnegie Mellon is below Cal Poly SLO. In what world is that accurate? (Its' not---CalPolySLO is a good school, but definately not on par with CMU)

Forbes doesn’t consider acceptance rates in their list, which I find refreshing.

why is that refreshing? Odd

USNWR doesn’t weight acceptance rate either. And hasn’t for several years. Having a low acceptance rate doesn’t really tell you much - other than a lot of people who have only ever heard of a handful of colleges to begin with and know exceptionally little about 99% of other colleges, want to apply there. It’s analogous to people who think top 40 pop stars play best music.

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

UF's SAT score profile is a 1320-1450. UF's 75th percentile is Emory, Georgetown, and Washu's 25th percentile.

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

+100

Anonymous wrote:Forbes is a far more respected publication than US news which stopped printing in 2010 due to being bad at reporting / commenting on the news.

Did you sprain your shoulder with that reach?

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Anonymous wrote:"No, Georgetown, Emory, WashU are permanent T25s. Some crazy choices Forbes ranked above them include
CMC
UCSD
Bowdoin
UF
USC"

Partly agree. "Permanent T25s" when slacs are not included. Ucsd & uf totally agree, crazy. Bowdoin, cmc & usc, arguable but not totally crazy.

You are clueless regarding UCSD and UF. USC, as well.

UCSD is a bunch of UCLA rejects who can’t cope. Perfectly respectable school, but #3 & 2nd tier in their own testblind for entry overrated public school system. No way they should be above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

UF much better than most would think nowadays. Regionally strong rep & network. Top UF kids are underrated and would be competitive at most any top school. Good # of hardworking bright kids w/hi-stats who just didn’t get into ivies or Duke/Vanderbilt/Emory or decided to stay home due to Bright Futures. But end of day being a public school & having to accept kids from all across the state, hard to put above Georgetown, Emory & WashU.

USC, same tier as Georgetown, Emory & WashU. Hard for older folks who remember the old USC to comprehend.

US news gives them a much lower reputation rating than the other 3. Like a 3.8 vs a 4.2, that's the main reason why the 3 are always ranked higher than USC on usnews. Forbes doesn't calculate reputation.