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Anonymous wrote:Because they have figured out your scam. I say this as someone who goes in 3 days a week where I'm much more productive.

I'm exactly the same amount of productive inside vs outside of the office. The time I spend chatting with whoever is in the office on the one day a week I go in, is the amount of time I'd be napping, cooking, doing laundry, etc. at home.

Well there's your answer. Chatting with your co workers can have some benefit - team building, collaboration, etc.

You boss doesn't want you napping, cooking, doing laundry on company time. And I don't blame them.

My co-workers are in MA, AL, and IL. Not likely to run into them.

Ill never understand why people put down the workers who want to WFH. And gleefully support the corporate slave culture. YEAH, I support the billionaire corporations who arbitrarily want employees on site when they have been capably working at home. YEAH, I support less work/life balance for employees.

Who TF are you people? Are you listening to yourselves?

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Anonymous wrote:WFH is a waste. Works ok for senior employees but terrible for the company and for any younger people or new hires. You don't care about them though.

Agree only works well for established employees who know the company culture. Terrible for you people trying to join a new organization.

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Anonymous wrote:WFH is a waste. Works ok for senior employees but terrible for the company and for any younger people or new hires. You don't care about them though.

Agree only works well for established employees who know the company culture. Terrible for you people trying to join a new organization.

It’s hilarious that people are so righteous about WFH/remote that they think they can tell employers what to do. If these people really had the b*lls they think they do, they would be in business for themselves. Then, the shoe would be on the other foot. How would they respond when their employees demand WFH/remote and proceed to work part-time for full pay on their dime? It’s always easy to shirk when it’s someone else’s dime.

If you don’t like your job/coworkers enough that 2 days in the office per week is tolerable, then I recommend getting a new job!

Way back in 2004 I recall a guy at work told my boss he wastes two hours commuting and if he worked from home he be more productive.

My boss said so you will work ten hours a day instead of eight? Guy says no but I get two hours back.

Will we EVER stop having this conversation? It’s done now. Everything that can be said has been said. Employers are going to do what they want to do for their own reasons and if you don’t like it don’t work there.

Anonymous wrote:2 days a week sounds pretty awesome. You sound spoiled.

Alternate POV: she sounds like she knows where she is capable of working and getting her work done. And her office is being arbitrary. The return to work is such a weird flex by employers. Like, you are either capable of managing your employees or you aren't. Regardless of where they are.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard about feds managing poor performance via RTO. OPM just issued a memo encouraging agencies to expand remote work. Looks to me more like agencies prepare for the anticipated budget cuts by using RTO to push some retirement eligible WFHs out the door. Otherwise, why would they ever retire?

FY25 budget cuts: https://federalnewsnetwork.com/budget/2024/06/democrats-warn-layoffs-ahead-as-house-gop-proposes-agency-spending-cuts/

Fed retirements that never happened:
https://www.govexec.com/management/2023/06/time-federal-retirement-wave-never-happened/387354/

"OPM just issued a memo encouraging agencies to expand remote work."

Source?

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/Director%20Memo%20to%20Agency%20Heads%20-%20Guiding%20Factors%20for%20Determining%20Remote%20Work.pdf

Snap! Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Why now? Politics? Why 2 days? They were telling us to clean out our offices that they're giving the space up now trying to call people back in. Just seems like a waste.

Why are there so many people crying about RTO? If you don't like it, then quit.

Seems like 1/2 the threads on this Jobs and Careers board are people whining about RTO.

Why? You're really asking that? Because people have a better work/life balance w/o a commute. And as long as they're going their work, who cares? The only places were WFH doesn't work are places with poor management.

And I'd turn around the question, why do people feel the need to be so pissed off by people being allowed to telework? It's like you get off coming on here to mock people who have to give up their balance? And that makes you a fuxxxing gross person.

Some jobs lend themselves to being done well remotely. The vast majority do not. We all like the idea of working from home because we don't have to commute and dress up. we also love to be able to slack off for a few hours and do our housework and have appts when no one is watching. No, people are not being gross for acknowledging that there is value in being in the office together. Maybe not full time but a hybrid schedule definitely helps productivity and team building.

Are you referring to office jobs? I ask because every single office worker I know spends most of their day on Teams. Even when in the office they are on Teams calls.

This is what it comes down to. 1 day vs 2 day vs 3 day doesn’t do anything if people are spending their days on teams calls.

Anonymous wrote:Well paying full time jobs are evaporating rapidly.

An employee willing and capable of coming into the office is a more valuable commodity than one that isn’t.

The culling is in motion.

This is dumb. A high quality employee is more valuable than a low quality one and most high quality employees value wfh so all you are doing is culling the high quality workers.

Anonymous wrote:At my agency we are required to come in two days a week AND hotel. Worst combo.

Same here but it's 3 days a week and there isn't enough space if everyone actually comes in. Total nightmare. I'm fine sharing a cube but having to pack up my office mug, water bottle, etc into a locker every day stinks.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they have figured out your scam. I say this as someone who goes in 3 days a week where I'm much more productive.

bs I work more now that there isn't 10 people coming into my office to chat all day long or someone talking my ear off at the office kitchen.

I know— remember when water cooler guy was the example of the least productive guy in the office and now they are telling us water cooler conversations are essential to the office.

I’ll be honest and say that I personally am way more productive at home— it’s mostly from just working more (because I am not commuting) and being more comfortable (not stuck with a windowless office which is too hot or too cold 80% of the time).

But I do think something is lost esp for more junior employees not having everyone together— the pre and post meeting chats etc.

I think overall we’ve gained more than we’ve lost but it’s not like we’ve lost nothing

2 days a week sounds pretty awesome. You sound spoiled.