Anonymous
08/25/2024 22:13
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. It’s not disordered to track what goes into your body. It’s disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia. Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
Yes, US society in 2024 is exactly like it was for all of millennia. There have been no changes to our daily activity and food sources in that time.
Indeed eating habits were healthier for most of our past.
How were we healthier when our life spans were much shorter?
Childhood death during the first five years of life, but especially for infants was extremely high. Childhood mortality majorly slants life span data throughout human history.
Also, violence was much higher throughout human history that what we are blessed with in our modern society. We take for granted antibiotics for the many infectious diseases and infections that previously killed people indiscriminately. A broken bone or other things that are easily fixable now were death sentences throughout almost all of human history. Individuals who made it through childhood, and for women childbirth, and avoided blunt trauma and infectious scourges actually had quite long lives.
No, life expectancy from age 60 (after childhood) has also increased in the past 100 years. You're arguing that cavemen who didn't break bones or get infectious diseases lived past 88 (the average age of death today) but you have zero evidence.
Anonymous
08/25/2024 19:22
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nobody except body builders should be counting their grams of protein. It is disordered.
The world is upside down. It’s not disordered to track what goes into your body. It’s disordered to eat mindlessly as many many American do.
No you are incorrect. We are without counting for millennia. Not our problem that you are ocd and have an eating disorder.
Yes, US society in 2024 is exactly like it was for all of millennia. There have been no changes to our daily activity and food sources in that time.
Indeed eating habits were healthier for most of our past.
How were we healthier when our life spans were much shorter?
Childhood death during the first five years of life, but especially for infants was extremely high. Childhood mortality majorly slants life span data throughout human history.
Also, violence was much higher throughout human history that what we are blessed with in our modern society. We take for granted antibiotics for the many infectious diseases and infections that previously killed people indiscriminately. A broken bone or other things that are easily fixable now were death sentences throughout almost all of human history. Individuals who made it through childhood, and for women childbirth, and avoided blunt trauma and infectious scourges actually had quite long lives.
Anonymous
08/25/2024 09:34
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
PP who doesn't like cottage cheese but is willing to use as an ingredient - FYI I have made pancakes recently that are high protein in my vitamix:
1/2c Bob's protein oats
1/2c egg whites (from 4 eggs)
1/2c lowfat cottage cheese
tsp vanilla
cinnamon
blend then add sliced half banana, cook as pancakes
I also have seen recipes that add cottage cheese to things like mac n cheese sauce, mashed potatoes etc. If you google high protein cottage cheese recipes you will likely find a mix of people either dieting or weight lifting/trying to bulk up. You can adapt as you see fit.
PS I add 24g of protein oats to most of my smoothies & can't taste it at all (have to have a good blender obvsly)
1/2c Bob's protein oats
1/2c egg whites (from 4 eggs)
1/2c lowfat cottage cheese
tsp vanilla
cinnamon
blend then add sliced half banana, cook as pancakes
I also have seen recipes that add cottage cheese to things like mac n cheese sauce, mashed potatoes etc. If you google high protein cottage cheese recipes you will likely find a mix of people either dieting or weight lifting/trying to bulk up. You can adapt as you see fit.
PS I add 24g of protein oats to most of my smoothies & can't taste it at all (have to have a good blender obvsly)
Anonymous
08/25/2024 06:59
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Protein for breakfast: eggs, almond flour pancakes, cottage cheese on toast, lox and bagel with cream cheese, almond butter and honey on toast, Greek yogurt and almonds and blue and raspberries, oats and chia seeds,
Protein for lunch: Turkey or chicken salad or sandwiches, hummus, lentil soup, chickpea and spinach, green peas, quinoa and broccoli,
Dinner: beef, salmon, chicken, tuna, lamb
Protein for lunch: Turkey or chicken salad or sandwiches, hummus, lentil soup, chickpea and spinach, green peas, quinoa and broccoli,
Dinner: beef, salmon, chicken, tuna, lamb
Anonymous
08/24/2024 07:43
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Spinach
Anonymous
08/23/2024 18:59
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. That’s it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they “need” 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and aren’t training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
Actually we aren’t getting enough to stave off sarcopenia and muscle loss and bone density loss in old age. That’s what the purpose is. We see our parents becoming wheelchair bound due to hip fractures and falls and I do not want that for myself. Many doctors who specialize in this area of study agree that women’s hormones in middle age are working against them, why wouldn’t we do what we can to keep our bodies mobile?
Women still don't need 100 grams of protein for bone health.
The studies show 1.2 grams of protein per kg of body weight will maintain bone density. In my case that is about 60 grams of protein.
The problem is when you add strength training to this, which is recommended for women as they get older and face bone density loss. If you're on a low-cal diet, then your body isn't going to build muscle, and may actually lose muscle, if you don't get enough protein.
PP again. I should add that older women don't process protein as efficiently.
This is why most women over 30 should consider creatine.
Men have been taking it for 30+ years and they can produce it more than women can from proteins.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 14:43
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Typical gaslighting dcum where they twist everything to feel superior. Ordinary people with normal eating habits do not count grams of protein. They eat moderate diets, mostly homemade meals, stews, beans, salads, roasted meats with veggies, or whatever your culture considers healthy.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
Your basic premise is entirely false because we have lost track of what normal eating habits are. Americans (and the world) are gaining tons of weight. Nearly every day, someone comes into this subgroup and says a variation of “I eat healthy and I cannot lose weight.” The first questions should be - what are you eating and how much. Often the how much gets lost around. That’s what counting does, helps you be sure about how much you are eating until you can reset your internal system.
You sound so angry. I wonder why. In my experience, healthy (physically and mentally) people don’t sit around on an anonymous message board insulting people.
+1
This person sounds like they have mental health problems. 😢
+2
Gaslighting again. I wonder why you are sitting around an anonymous forum insulting people.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 14:42
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Typical gaslighting dcum where they twist everything to feel superior. Ordinary people with normal eating habits do not count grams of protein. They eat moderate diets, mostly homemade meals, stews, beans, salads, roasted meats with veggies, or whatever your culture considers healthy.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
Your basic premise is entirely false because we have lost track of what normal eating habits are. Americans (and the world) are gaining tons of weight. Nearly every day, someone comes into this subgroup and says a variation of “I eat healthy and I cannot lose weight.” The first questions should be - what are you eating and how much. Often the how much gets lost around. That’s what counting does, helps you be sure about how much you are eating until you can reset your internal system.
You sound so angry. I wonder why. In my experience, healthy (physically and mentally) people don’t sit around on an anonymous message board insulting people.
Gaslighting again. I wonder why you are sitting around an anonymous forum insulting people.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 13:25
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. That’s it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they “need” 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and aren’t training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
Actually we aren’t getting enough to stave off sarcopenia and muscle loss and bone density loss in old age. That’s what the purpose is. We see our parents becoming wheelchair bound due to hip fractures and falls and I do not want that for myself. Many doctors who specialize in this area of study agree that women’s hormones in middle age are working against them, why wouldn’t we do what we can to keep our bodies mobile?
Women still don't need 100 grams of protein for bone health.
The studies show 1.2 grams of protein per kg of body weight will maintain bone density. In my case that is about 60 grams of protein.
The problem is when you add strength training to this, which is recommended for women as they get older and face bone density loss. If you're on a low-cal diet, then your body isn't going to build muscle, and may actually lose muscle, if you don't get enough protein.
PP again. I should add that older women don't process protein as efficiently.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 13:23
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Eat enough calories. That’s it. No one in America who has a calorically adequate diet is actually protein-deficient.
Agree. All the middle aged 125 lb women on here saying they “need” 100+ grams of protein are misguided. If you are eating a balanced diet that includes dairy/meat, get enough calories, and aren’t training to be a body builder, you are getting enough protein
If she feels good on 100g then why not? Her body is telling her 100g is working for her. Middle aged women have big jobs and multiple kids and may skip a meal now and then, if you lift, that’s tough on the body, so an extra boost here and there should be ok. Everybody is different. When I did IF with about 40g protein I would get sick constantly, and I would sleep a lot. 80-100g puts me in a state of mental clarity and 7hr zzz is more than enough.
Sometime your body tells you things feel good that are not, in the long run, good for you. Surely this is not new news.
IF itself is bunk so I can’t help you there.
IF is not bunk at all. It’s great for your body to go through fasting periods.
There isn’t any valid science on this. All the most recent research confirms it’s nothing more than a calorie restriction tool. Taken to the extreme it has negative impact on your body muscle composition.
Just stop eating so much and don’t eat junk.
Recently some pretty good science has come out about the benefits of IF. Read Michael Moseley's book.
Yes, there is good science about IF, but not for weight loss. Those crazy Soviets had fasting clinics in the 70s and they worked for illnesses. They would do 40 day fasts, but controlled by doctors and in a "rehab" centers, so to say.
OK, you said one partially accurate thing, pat yourself on the back. IF doesn't contribute to weight loss if you keep eating the same amount of calories in a smaller eating window, that's true. BUT IF effective for weight loss as a tool for reducing daily calorie totals.
Miss me with your 70s Soviet studies. Did you find that in the same place that told you the cavemen outlived us?
There's recent science--a number of studies--backing up what pp says about IF being good for your body in other ways. In particular, IF reduces inflammation, addresses insulin resistance, and that, plus the associated drop in calories, reduces the risk of things like breast cancer and is even really helpful during cancer chemotherapy treatments with cancer patients doing IF having better treatment results. I sort of hate that I spent any time at all on an angry, idiotic troll, but google results of studies by Harvey and Howell at Manchester University, Valter Longo at USC, and others.
Anonymous
08/23/2024 13:12
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Typical gaslighting dcum where they twist everything to feel superior. Ordinary people with normal eating habits do not count grams of protein. They eat moderate diets, mostly homemade meals, stews, beans, salads, roasted meats with veggies, or whatever your culture considers healthy.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
Your basic premise is entirely false because we have lost track of what normal eating habits are. Americans (and the world) are gaining tons of weight. Nearly every day, someone comes into this subgroup and says a variation of “I eat healthy and I cannot lose weight.” The first questions should be - what are you eating and how much. Often the how much gets lost around. That’s what counting does, helps you be sure about how much you are eating until you can reset your internal system.
You sound so angry. I wonder why. In my experience, healthy (physically and mentally) people don’t sit around on an anonymous message board insulting people.
+1
This person sounds like they have mental health problems. 😢
+2
Anonymous
08/23/2024 12:10
Subject: How do you get enough protein?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Typical gaslighting dcum where they twist everything to feel superior. Ordinary people with normal eating habits do not count grams of protein. They eat moderate diets, mostly homemade meals, stews, beans, salads, roasted meats with veggies, or whatever your culture considers healthy.
But you can sure twist the story about how cavemen lived less and that it is okay to count grams of this or that macros and micros!
You all know you are wrong and worse, your kids are watching you count grams, and they will have eating disorders just like you have, but you think you are doing it all for healthy eating!
You know what PP meant, and you are gaslighting to justify your illness.
Why on earth would healthy 40-year-old women need to count grams of protein? We are not living longer because a few of you are counting grams of this or that. We live less in most of the U.S. because we have forgotten how to cook balanced meals.
Americans, in general, have dropped their lifespan again. If you were eating a pizza a day and all the store-bought ready meals, that is not the norm, and now you are counting grams BCS; you were too stupid to start with. Nobody is comparing our eating habits to cavemen.
I hope you are not counting your stupid grams of protein in front of your kids, BCS you are doing some serious harm to them!
I know from my experience when I gave in to mostly dcum idiocy of IF! My kids saw it all and thought IF was great! I am trying to fix it all now and have told my kids how sorry I am for this stupid behavior.
You will dismiss my post, but I know you will because you are eating narcissists, and you are never wrong!
Make regular homemade meals with some meat and eat as we did before the canned and prepackaged meal revolution and before the take-out insanity.
Your basic premise is entirely false because we have lost track of what normal eating habits are. Americans (and the world) are gaining tons of weight. Nearly every day, someone comes into this subgroup and says a variation of “I eat healthy and I cannot lose weight.” The first questions should be - what are you eating and how much. Often the how much gets lost around. That’s what counting does, helps you be sure about how much you are eating until you can reset your internal system.
You sound so angry. I wonder why. In my experience, healthy (physically and mentally) people don’t sit around on an anonymous message board insulting people.
+1
This person sounds like they have mental health problems. 😢