Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:33     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
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Anonymous wrote:Underlying all these discussions but rarely stressed…you have to go to one of only like 20-30 schools to see tremendous financial success as an English major.

I doubt even the successful English majors on this thread would encourage their kid to be an English major at Radford or ODU or any o end thousands of different schools.

Hence why so many posts start with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…which is a far different reality for most kids.

Can you explain to me how t3 lacs are different? There are maybe a few ten thousand or so Williams or Swarthmore alum alive? It’s not like they have access to more than anyone else. It’s not like Harvard where half the government has graduated for the college- they’re pretty tiny places with little societal importance.


They aren’t…but several posts on this very thread started with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…that’s all.

Well you said that they’re a “far different reality” what about them? Most of those grads have to go to grad school, cause they don’t go to career-heavy colleges, seems they’re the type of people you should listen to
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:31     Subject: Re:Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:I was the ultimate useless DC with a double major in Biology and English. I had the route of either getting paid $30k as a bench scientist or $80k to write copy. You can guess to which I jolted to. I'd be fine with another English degree holder in the family.


Which companies or industries pay a new college grad $80k to write copy? Please share more about this path. (Genuine question, not sarcastic.)
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:28     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
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Anonymous wrote:Underlying all these discussions but rarely stressed…you have to go to one of only like 20-30 schools to see tremendous financial success as an English major.

I doubt even the successful English majors on this thread would encourage their kid to be an English major at Radford or ODU or any o end thousands of different schools.

Hence why so many posts start with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…which is a far different reality for most kids.

Can you explain to me how t3 lacs are different? There are maybe a few ten thousand or so Williams or Swarthmore alum alive? It’s not like they have access to more than anyone else. It’s not like Harvard where half the government has graduated for the college- they’re pretty tiny places with little societal importance.


They aren’t…but several posts on this very thread started with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…that’s all.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:26     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:Underlying all these discussions but rarely stressed…you have to go to one of only like 20-30 schools to see tremendous financial success as an English major.

I doubt even the successful English majors on this thread would encourage their kid to be an English major at Radford or ODU or any o end thousands of different schools.

Hence why so many posts start with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…which is a far different reality for most kids.

Can you explain to me how t3 lacs are different? There are maybe a few ten thousand or so Williams or Swarthmore alum alive? It’s not like they have access to more than anyone else. It’s not like Harvard where half the government has graduated for the college- they’re pretty tiny places with little societal importance.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:23     Subject: Re:Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
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Anonymous wrote:Here's the real salary outcome by the US Department of Education.

Harvard English = $64,155
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3

Compare it to
Boston College Finance = $135,373
Northeastern CS = $149,127

This is 6 year out.


What’s the salary range for people who wanted to study English but were forced to study CS?


?? This is free country. Who's forcing whom???


Their STEM obsessed parents. And their parents who only want them to have jobs that will make them $100K+ 2 years out


Sounds like a collective family decision, and likely to be a good decision.
Imagine the middle class family has three kids, need to pay $350K per kid, and the kid can only major things like English, communications. Great thing the kid is capable of majoring in serious subjects like CS.


Comapre to say the family has three kids
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:22     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
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Anonymous wrote:I am a English literature major who makes more than many engineers and others in STEM fields. My husband studied philosophy and is also paid well above those in STEM. Tech professionals get laid off all the time. Some of you all need to get out more and learn about what is actually going on in the economy.


You realize you can’t win the anecdote game, right?

The actual richest people on the planet are all STEM (Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Gates, Ellison, Jensen/Nvidia) or finance (Buffet).

Even Bernard Arnault who is currently the richest and runs luxury retail brands has an engineering degree.

Is running a company a STEM thing now? I wouldn't call CEO the typical STEM path lmao.


Except they were company founders…not just a CEO hired to run the company (which BTW 80%+ of all CEOs have either a business or STEM undergrad degree).

The only point is that there are far more anecdotes of STEM/Math/Business majors striking it filthy rich than English majors so it’s silly to play the anecdote game.

Does Musk even understand any of the code for all the companies he bought out post-Paypal? Do any of the richest CEOs really know anything technical? I'm sure Zuckerberg gave up on that the second he hired his first team of engineers.


WTF are you talking about? Bezos was a CS major and actually built the first versions of Amazon…Musk actually built the site for his first company that he sold prior to PayPal for $20MM…strange to now claim these super successful folks with STEM backgrounds now didn’t really have anything to do with the tech they were instrumental in developing.

Do you think CEOs keep up with their product to that extent. What a naive opinion.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:19     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I am a English literature major who makes more than many engineers and others in STEM fields. My husband studied philosophy and is also paid well above those in STEM. Tech professionals get laid off all the time. Some of you all need to get out more and learn about what is actually going on in the economy.


You realize you can’t win the anecdote game, right?

The actual richest people on the planet are all STEM (Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Gates, Ellison, Jensen/Nvidia) or finance (Buffet).

Even Bernard Arnault who is currently the richest and runs luxury retail brands has an engineering degree.

Is running a company a STEM thing now? I wouldn't call CEO the typical STEM path lmao.


Except they were company founders…not just a CEO hired to run the company (which BTW 80%+ of all CEOs have either a business or STEM undergrad degree).

The only point is that there are far more anecdotes of STEM/Math/Business majors striking it filthy rich than English majors so it’s silly to play the anecdote game.

Does Musk even understand any of the code for all the companies he bought out post-Paypal? Do any of the richest CEOs really know anything technical? I'm sure Zuckerberg gave up on that the second he hired his first team of engineers.


WTF are you talking about? Bezos was a CS major and actually built the first versions of Amazon…Musk actually built the site for his first company that he sold prior to PayPal for $20MM…strange to now claim these super successful folks with STEM backgrounds now didn’t really have anything to do with the tech they were instrumental in developing.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 20:01     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:Underlying all these discussions but rarely stressed…you have to go to one of only like 20-30 schools to see tremendous financial success as an English major.

I doubt even the successful English majors on this thread would encourage their kid to be an English major at Radford or ODU or any o end thousands of different schools.

Hence why so many posts start with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…which is a far different reality for most kids.

It's just the demographics of DCUM. I really don't know many people making a ton of money who didn't go to top schools or aren't in tech. Finance is a great major, but you literally can't scale half of the best jobs without an elite degree. That's just life. Most people make 30-60k, few are making 100k+ and even fewer 200k
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:59     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a English literature major who makes more than many engineers and others in STEM fields. My husband studied philosophy and is also paid well above those in STEM. Tech professionals get laid off all the time. Some of you all need to get out more and learn about what is actually going on in the economy.


You realize you can’t win the anecdote game, right?

The actual richest people on the planet are all STEM (Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Gates, Ellison, Jensen/Nvidia) or finance (Buffet).

Even Bernard Arnault who is currently the richest and runs luxury retail brands has an engineering degree.

Is running a company a STEM thing now? I wouldn't call CEO the typical STEM path lmao.


Except they were company founders…not just a CEO hired to run the company (which BTW 80%+ of all CEOs have either a business or STEM undergrad degree).

The only point is that there are far more anecdotes of STEM/Math/Business majors striking it filthy rich than English majors so it’s silly to play the anecdote game.

Does Musk even understand any of the code for all the companies he bought out post-Paypal? Do any of the richest CEOs really know anything technical? I'm sure Zuckerberg gave up on that the second he hired his first team of engineers.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:58     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Underlying all these discussions but rarely stressed…you have to go to one of only like 20-30 schools to see tremendous financial success as an English major.

I doubt even the successful English majors on this thread would encourage their kid to be an English major at Radford or ODU or any o end thousands of different schools.

Hence why so many posts start with “I went to a top 3 LAC”…which is a far different reality for most kids.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:58     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:Nope. Waste of money.


So, you’d force your child to study something else in college? Bizarre.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:55     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a English literature major who makes more than many engineers and others in STEM fields. My husband studied philosophy and is also paid well above those in STEM. Tech professionals get laid off all the time. Some of you all need to get out more and learn about what is actually going on in the economy.


You realize you can’t win the anecdote game, right?

The actual richest people on the planet are all STEM (Zuckerberg, Bezos, Musk, Gates, Ellison, Jensen/Nvidia) or finance (Buffet).

Even Bernard Arnault who is currently the richest and runs luxury retail brands has an engineering degree.

Is running a company a STEM thing now? I wouldn't call CEO the typical STEM path lmao.


Except they were company founders…not just a CEO hired to run the company (which BTW 80%+ of all CEOs have either a business or STEM undergrad degree).

The only point is that there are far more anecdotes of STEM/Math/Business majors striking it filthy rich than English majors so it’s silly to play the anecdote game.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:39     Subject: Re:Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Here's the real salary outcome by the US Department of Education.

Harvard English = $64,155
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3

Compare it to
Boston College Finance = $135,373
Northeastern CS = $149,127

This is 6 year out.


What’s the salary range for people who wanted to study English but were forced to study CS?


?? This is free country. Who's forcing whom???


Their STEM obsessed parents. And their parents who only want them to have jobs that will make them $100K+ 2 years out
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:38     Subject: Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
No, because that's what I did. Opportunities are limited without grad school. My kids have no interest anyway.
Anonymous
Post 07/24/2024 19:38     Subject: Re:Would you support your child in pursuing a degree in English Literature?
Anonymous wrote:Here's the real salary outcome by the US Department of Education.

Harvard English = $64,155
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3

Compare it to
Boston College Finance = $135,373
Northeastern CS = $149,127

This is 6 year out.


Try it again 10+ years out. That is when the general LA/English lit/ History/etc majors start to really advance, while most Tech stagnate, unless they move to management.

However the LA/ENGlit/History majors have to work hard to earn those positions and plan a path for themselves (more so than a CS major gets a job and moves up from junior programer to senior programer to project manager, etc).