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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

Because it’s not a federal constitutional right. It’s not in there. If you want one, go through the proper channel - a constitutional amendment. Until then, abortion is a state matter.

Precisely. Stamping feet and throwing tantrums is effectively doing nothing. States now decide the issue of abortion.

As it should be.

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Anonymous wrote:Solid platform.

Names some specifics. Not general pablum.

The entire document lists specifics, which you are welcome to read at any time. But you won’t because it’s easier to just dismiss anything you don’t agree with as “pablum.” Keep on sulking, I guess!

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

What’s your favorite specific?

All of them, listed 1-20 near the beginning of the document. If YOU have a specific you’d like to discuss, say so.

DP. Stop gaslighting. There are no specifics listed in the document. It's literally the GOP's last minute attempt to distract from their true platform, Project 2025, while masquerading that this beyond basic document is their platform.

Perhaps this might work on simple-minded folks, such as yourself, but the rest of us aren't buying it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

Because it’s not a federal constitutional right. It’s not in there. If you want one, go through the proper channel - a constitutional amendment. Until then, abortion is a state matter.

Precisely. Stamping feet and throwing tantrums is effectively doing nothing. States now decide the issue of abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

Because it’s not a federal constitutional right. It’s not in there. If you want one, go through the proper channel - a constitutional amendment. Until then, abortion is a state matter.

The constitution doesn’t mention he right to ammunition specifically so why can’t we send that to the states to determine as well?

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Anonymous wrote:Solid platform.

Names some specifics. Not general pablum.

The entire document lists specifics, which you are welcome to read at any time. But you won’t because it’s easier to just dismiss anything you don’t agree with as “pablum.” Keep on sulking, I guess!

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

What’s your favorite specific?

All of them, listed 1-20 near the beginning of the document. If YOU have a specific you’d like to discuss, say so.

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Anonymous wrote:Solid platform.

Names some specifics. Not general pablum.

The entire document lists specifics, which you are welcome to read at any time. But you won’t because it’s easier to just dismiss anything you don’t agree with as “pablum.” Keep on sulking, I guess!

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf

What’s your favorite specific?

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

Because it’s not a federal constitutional right. It’s not in there. If you want one, go through the proper channel - a constitutional amendment. Until then, abortion is a state matter.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

No, you’re completely wrong. The Dobbs ruling doesn’t mention states. It LEFT THE DECISION UP TO “THE PEOPLE AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES” which includes Congress.

How dense are you? Rhetorical question, btw. Who do you think “the people and their representatives” are?? THE STATES.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

Because it’s not a federal constitutional right. It’s not in there. If you want one, go through the proper channel - a constitutional amendment. Until then, abortion is a state matter.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

No, you’re completely wrong. The Dobbs ruling doesn’t mention states. It LEFT THE DECISION UP TO “THE PEOPLE AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES” which includes Congress.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

Because it’s not a federal constitutional right. It’s not in there. If you want one, go through the proper channel - a constitutional amendment. Until then, abortion is a state matter.

Anonymous wrote:How is something a right to liberty that you must rely on a third person to exercise? (Perform the abortion / develop and regulate the abortifacient). If all doctors refused to perform abortions, how would that “right of liberty” be exist? If a right is dependent upon someone other than myself then it does not seem to be a liberty interest.

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Anonymous wrote:This is good that Trump is moving the GOP to the left on abortion. The right should focus on advocating for their side having 3+ kids instead of putting so much energy into restricting abortions for the pro-choice folks.

Again for some of you in the back: There’s no “moving to the left” on abortion policy. The GOP’s interpretation is that the 14th Amendment protects embryos, and that’s a de jure and de facto ban on abortion, IVF, certain forms of contraception and who knows what else they can dream up.

Wrong. He clearly says he is leaving the abortion decision to the individual states, where it belongs. He also fully supports contraception. Do continue lying though. Now everyone can easily call you out on it.

Republicans Will Protect and Defend a Vote of the People, from within the States, on the Issue of Life We proudly stand for families and Life. We believe that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States guarantees that no person can be denied Life or Liberty without Due Process, and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights. After 51 years, because of us, that power has been given to the States and to a vote of the People. We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments.)

You bolded the wrong parts. What they have to say about the 14th Amendment - which I helpfully bolded here for you, puts the kibosh on anything a woman or her fertility clinic wants to do with her own embryos.

You are picking one part of the sentence and ignoring the rest - which clearly states: "...and that the States are, therefore, free to pass Laws protecting those Rights." Meaning, states can VOTE to restrict or not restrict abortion, according to the will of the people - as they are currently doing. What about this do you not understand?

After he bragged about overturning Roe v Wade??

Um... are you aware what "overturning Roe v Wade" did? IT SENT THE DECISION BACK TO THE STATES. Dear god, educate yourself.

oh I am educated plenty. It was recognized as a federal constitutional right for 50 years. Why overturn it? And why did Trump brag he played a role in that?? Now he is changing his tune? Too late.

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Anonymous wrote:Solid platform.

Names some specifics. Not general pablum.

The entire document lists specifics, which you are welcome to read at any time. But you won’t because it’s easier to just dismiss anything you don’t agree with as “pablum.” Keep on sulking, I guess!

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24795052/2024-gop-platform-july-7-final.pdf