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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

There’s literally examples in this article of women who weren’t in dire medical need who got third trimester abortions. One didn’t find out until her third trimester that she was pregnant. Another says she would have gotten one earlier, but it wasn’t until the third trimester that she raised the funds. Why are you suggesting this doesn’t happen when it’s in published medical literature?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9321603/

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

There’s literally examples in this article of women who weren’t in dire medical need who got third trimester abortions. One didn’t find out until her third trimester that she was pregnant. Another says she would have gotten one earlier, but it wasn’t until the third trimester that she raised the funds. Why are you suggesting this doesn’t happen when it’s in published medical literature?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9321603/

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

Stop lying. What I wrote is factually and demonstrably correct.

CBS News: New York state has enacted strong new legal protections for abortion rights. The new law, signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday, safeguards rights laid out in Roe v. Wade and other court rulings, including a provision permitting late-term abortions when a woman's health is endangered, The Associated Press reports. The state's previous law, which had been on the books for nearly 50 years, only permitted abortions after 24 weeks of pregnancy if a woman's life was at risk.

So no examples of patients where this wasn’t medically necessary?

Do you think a mother’s mental health makes an abortion medically necessary?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

Stop lying. What I wrote is factually and demonstrably correct.

CBS News: New York state has enacted strong new legal protections for abortion rights. The new law, signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday, safeguards rights laid out in Roe v. Wade and other court rulings, including a provision permitting late-term abortions when a woman's health is endangered, The Associated Press reports. The state's previous law, which had been on the books for nearly 50 years, only permitted abortions after 24 weeks of pregnancy if a woman's life was at risk.

So no examples of patients where this wasn’t medically necessary?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

Stop lying. What I wrote is factually and demonstrably correct.

CBS News: New York state has enacted strong new legal protections for abortion rights. The new law, signed by Governor Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday, safeguards rights laid out in Roe v. Wade and other court rulings, including a provision permitting late-term abortions when a woman's health is endangered, The Associated Press reports. The state's previous law, which had been on the books for nearly 50 years, only permitted abortions after 24 weeks of pregnancy if a woman's life was at risk.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

That is a complete lie.

There are only 2 doctors in america that actually perform 3rd tri abortions and they are 25-35k before travel costs. NO ONE is waking up one morning and chosing this.

They are the only option for women who are in dire MEDICAL need.

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Anonymous wrote:This article discusses 3 women who had abortions. The first woman had hers at 35 weeks - she had to got to Colorado. Read it to understand why this happens.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/18/late-term-abortion-experience-donald-trump

The day of the MRI finally arrived. She was 35 weeks, 0 days. By the end of it, Kate and her husband had the hardest answers they’ve ever received.

Their daughter had moderate to severe Dandy-Walker malformation. But that wasn’t the only diagnosis; Laurel also had a brain condition in which fluid builds up in the ventricles, eventually developing into hydrocephalus and possibly crushing her brain. She had a congenital disorder too, in which there was complete or partial absence of the broad band of nerve fibers joining the two hemispheres of the brain.

What this meant was Laurel was expected to never walk, talk, or swallow. That was if she survived birth.

Kate asked her doctor: “What can a baby like mine do? Sleep all the time?”

“Babies like yours are not generally comfortable enough to sleep,” the neurologist said.

I don’t think I’d chose abortion in that scenario but I cannot really say I think it should be outlawed.

Anonymous wrote:This article discusses 3 women who had abortions. The first woman had hers at 35 weeks - she had to got to Colorado. Read it to understand why this happens.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/18/late-term-abortion-experience-donald-trump

The day of the MRI finally arrived. She was 35 weeks, 0 days. By the end of it, Kate and her husband had the hardest answers they’ve ever received.

Their daughter had moderate to severe Dandy-Walker malformation. But that wasn’t the only diagnosis; Laurel also had a brain condition in which fluid builds up in the ventricles, eventually developing into hydrocephalus and possibly crushing her brain. She had a congenital disorder too, in which there was complete or partial absence of the broad band of nerve fibers joining the two hemispheres of the brain.

What this meant was Laurel was expected to never walk, talk, or swallow. That was if she survived birth.

Kate asked her doctor: “What can a baby like mine do? Sleep all the time?”

“Babies like yours are not generally comfortable enough to sleep,” the neurologist said.

Anonymous wrote:This article discusses 3 women who had abortions. The first woman had hers at 35 weeks - she had to got to Colorado. Read it to understand why this happens.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/18/late-term-abortion-experience-donald-trump

The day of the MRI finally arrived. She was 35 weeks, 0 days. By the end of it, Kate and her husband had the hardest answers they’ve ever received.

Their daughter had moderate to severe Dandy-Walker malformation. But that wasn’t the only diagnosis; Laurel also had a brain condition in which fluid builds up in the ventricles, eventually developing into hydrocephalus and possibly crushing her brain. She had a congenital disorder too, in which there was complete or partial absence of the broad band of nerve fibers joining the two hemispheres of the brain.

What this meant was Laurel was expected to never walk, talk, or swallow. That was if she survived birth.

Kate asked her doctor: “What can a baby like mine do? Sleep all the time?”

“Babies like yours are not generally comfortable enough to sleep,” the neurologist said.

The day of the MRI finally arrived. She was 35 weeks, 0 days. By the end of it, Kate and her husband had the hardest answers they’ve ever received.

Their daughter had moderate to severe Dandy-Walker malformation. But that wasn’t the only diagnosis; Laurel also had a brain condition in which fluid builds up in the ventricles, eventually developing into hydrocephalus and possibly crushing her brain. She had a congenital disorder too, in which there was complete or partial absence of the broad band of nerve fibers joining the two hemispheres of the brain.

What this meant was Laurel was expected to never walk, talk, or swallow. That was if she survived birth.

Kate asked her doctor: “What can a baby like mine do? Sleep all the time?”

“Babies like yours are not generally comfortable enough to sleep,” the neurologist said.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.

And after Roe, states like New York relaxed their restrictions on late abortion.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

One extreme is "no abortions period"
The other is, it should be illegal in the third term except in the instance of the fetus or mother's life is at risk.

What are the crazies on the latter?

Yes, when Roe was the law of the land, almost all states had restrictions on abortions in the third trimester, which starts at week 27/28.