Anonymous wrote:In my day, that was a very high SAT score.

Same! I would send it.

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

This is BS. Why does a change in policy at a handful of schools (Ivys) change anything for all the schools that are still TO, some of which were TO before the pandemic? It's not a one size fits all.

I agree.
Based on last published CDS, I would not, for example, submit a 33 to Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Northwestern, Michigan or Emory for next fall. I probably missing another T20 (assuming the 3.9uw gpa is from a private HS - if a public HS you probably have to parse through this data further).

That cds info will be two years old this fall.

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

This is BS. Why does a change in policy at a handful of schools (Ivys) change anything for all the schools that are still TO, some of which were TO before the pandemic? It's not a one size fits all.

I agree.
Based on last published CDS, I would not, for example, submit a 33 to Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Northwestern, Michigan or Emory for next fall. I probably missing another T20 (assuming the 3.9uw gpa is from a private HS - if a public HS you probably have to parse through this data further).

What data do you parse to determine how coming from a public school factors in?

I’d imagine you should look at your schools Scoir or Naviance data? But I don’t know

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

This is BS. Why does a change in policy at a handful of schools (Ivys) change anything for all the schools that are still TO, some of which were TO before the pandemic? It's not a one size fits all.

I agree.
Based on last published CDS, I would not, for example, submit a 33 to Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Northwestern, Michigan or Emory for next fall. I probably missing another T20 (assuming the 3.9uw gpa is from a private HS - if a public HS you probably have to parse through this data further).

What data do you parse to determine how coming from a public school factors in?

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

This is BS. Why does a change in policy at a handful of schools (Ivys) change anything for all the schools that are still TO, some of which were TO before the pandemic? It's not a one size fits all.

Why? Test optional has only existed for three cycles, schools that were test blind or had already announced test optional have switched back and our local private is strongly encouraging submitting test scores. Most believe that test optional will only be for hooked kids going forward, outside of the schools that were test optional pre covid. It was a rapid change to test optional and it will be a rapid change back, especially since the data from those admits is showing they don’t perform as well as kids who submit test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

You would submit for a current junior (meaning for this fall)?

Yes, it is foolish to think the T25 won’t be test aware this year. A good chunk of them were this past cycle.

In my day, that was a very high SAT score.

OP: this is something to ask your college counselor.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to look at number of admitted students went TO. If it’s over 40%, the school is really fine w TO. Don’t submit if it doesn’t help you.

If admitted students TO number is under 25%, they want the tests.

ED and full pay will take you very far at these schools. BC bump for full pay is real.

Ok, so:

1) if over 40% went TO, your advice suggests that you have options; but what scores "help"? 25th percentile? 50th? 75th?
2) if under 25% went TO, your advices suggests that you have to submit. But what about schools where 26-39% submitted?

Over 1550 or 35/36 always helps.

Name the schools .

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

This is BS. Why does a change in policy at a handful of schools (Ivys) change anything for all the schools that are still TO, some of which were TO before the pandemic? It's not a one size fits all.

I agree.
Based on last published CDS, I would not, for example, submit a 33 to Vanderbilt, WashU, Rice, Northwestern, Michigan or Emory for next fall. I probably missing another T20 (assuming the 3.9uw gpa is from a private HS - if a public HS you probably have to parse through this data further).

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

You would submit for a current junior (meaning for this fall)?

Anonymous wrote:I like to look at number of admitted students went TO. If it’s over 40%, the school is really fine w TO. Don’t submit if it doesn’t help you.

If admitted students TO number is under 25%, they want the tests.

ED and full pay will take you very far at these schools. BC bump for full pay is real.

Ok, so:

1) if over 40% went TO, your advice suggests that you have options; but what scores "help"? 25th percentile? 50th? 75th?
2) if under 25% went TO, your advices suggests that you have to submit. But what about schools where 26-39% submitted?

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.

This is BS. Why does a change in policy at a handful of schools (Ivys) change anything for all the schools that are still TO, some of which were TO before the pandemic? It's not a one size fits all.

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Anonymous wrote:I like to look at number of admitted students went TO. If it’s over 40%, the school is really fine w TO. Don’t submit if it doesn’t help you.

If admitted students TO number is under 25%, they want the tests.

ED and full pay will take you very far at these schools. BC bump for full pay is real.

Someone is having a really hard time understanding that things have changed since last cycle.

Things have changed at the schools that have changed their test submission policy. That’s a very small number of schools. Most have stayed test optional, and for those schools, the PP’s guidance is on target.

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Anonymous wrote:Its a case by case decision for each school.....

Not really

I mean I wouldn't submit a 33 to most T20 schools, would you?

This year, yes. Next year, it will be required.