Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 15:46     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:Women do make the first move, it's just not the actual "would you go to dinner with me?" question. We are throwing a thousand "moves" your way that you absolutely pick up on and that is what enables you to ask us out. Society trains us (both men and women) to play this game. I personally like it. It's fun as hell. If it stresses you out, then maybe you need to build your confidence.


YES! I've made the first move many many times.
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 15:46     Subject: Re:Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because men and women are different. There are things men do and things women do. And our society has merged the norms together thinking it would liberate. It hasn't.

Grow a pair and make the first move.


It is even more fundamental than this. Gender roles are one thing, biology is another. Men are simply more motivated to pursue romantic/sexual relationships.


No longer true. Modern dating is very different. Men no longer have that motivation to pursue because they are under a gigantic microscope.


Oh yes, poor them and the 600 years of patriarchy.
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 15:45     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:If women are so independent and self sufficient these days why are men still the ones expected to make the first move? If a woman likes a guy what's preventing her asking him out? If she wants to be his wife what's preventing her from asking him to marry her?


I disagree with your premise in terms of dating. Marriage you're probably right.
But, who cares? If you're a guy, don't be a weenie and ask her out.
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 15:35     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:My grandmother made the first move nearly 100 years ago (in 1925). I guess it WAS the roaring 20’s. I’ve read / heard that it was actually reasonably acceptable back then.


Omg, don’t leave us hanging. What did she do?
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 15:33     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:Women do make the first move, it's just not the actual "would you go to dinner with me?" question. We are throwing a thousand "moves" your way that you absolutely pick up on and that is what enables you to ask us out. Society trains us (both men and women) to play this game. I personally like it. It's fun as hell. If it stresses you out, then maybe you need to build your confidence.


lol so true. My favourite move is when she gently touches you. A woman will not do that to a man she is not interested in.
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 15:31     Subject: Re:Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because men and women are different. There are things men do and things women do. And our society has merged the norms together thinking it would liberate. It hasn't.

Grow a pair and make the first move.


It is even more fundamental than this. Gender roles are one thing, biology is another. Men are simply more motivated to pursue romantic/sexual relationships.


No longer true. Modern dating is very different. Men no longer have that motivation to pursue because they are under a gigantic microscope.
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 13:08     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Women do make the first move, it's just not the actual "would you go to dinner with me?" question. We are throwing a thousand "moves" your way that you absolutely pick up on and that is what enables you to ask us out. Society trains us (both men and women) to play this game. I personally like it. It's fun as hell. If it stresses you out, then maybe you need to build your confidence.
Anonymous
Post 05/29/2024 00:21     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
My grandmother made the first move nearly 100 years ago (in 1925). I guess it WAS the roaring 20’s. I’ve read / heard that it was actually reasonably acceptable back then.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 23:21     Subject: Re:Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because men and women are different. There are things men do and things women do. And our society has merged the norms together thinking it would liberate. It hasn't.

Grow a pair and make the first move.


It is even more fundamental than this. Gender roles are one thing, biology is another. Men are simply more motivated to pursue romantic/sexual relationships.
That and women are used to being pursued all their lives so they don't see any reason to make a move on a man. They are lazy that way. it's easier for them to complain about all the awkward, or rude guys who hit on them instead of doing their own choosing. And I get it. They aren't used to it and most women don't deal well with rejection while men have to learn to deal with it.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 22:03     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:But cultural norms are changing. Gender equality is getting better and men have been, appropriately, checked for being sex pests and harassers. Unfortunately, this has shifted the tendency of men to approach in general.

Net net men approaching less is a win for society. In this thread alone women acknowledge that they don't like most of the guys that approach them. So fewer approaches (especially from an ugly or low status guy) is a win for women. The top men will always approach.

Finally, women have more power than ever to make the approach, if they choose. It's all about having more options.

I think the challenge is for ugly or average looking women. They probably don't get approached as much and with less of their equal looks/status approaching, they will either approach more or have fewer opportunities.


Of course obviously no one can predict the future but why do I get the feeling that even a full Century from now or even a full Millennium from now it will still normally be expected of men to make the first move and ask the woman out and be the initiator.

Hence why there will always be more male Wizards than female Wizards
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 16:52     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Because when women DO make the first move men get all pissy and whiny about it.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 11:18     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
But cultural norms are changing. Gender equality is getting better and men have been, appropriately, checked for being sex pests and harassers. Unfortunately, this has shifted the tendency of men to approach in general.

Net net men approaching less is a win for society. In this thread alone women acknowledge that they don't like most of the guys that approach them. So fewer approaches (especially from an ugly or low status guy) is a win for women. The top men will always approach.

Finally, women have more power than ever to make the approach, if they choose. It's all about having more options.

I think the challenge is for ugly or average looking women. They probably don't get approached as much and with less of their equal looks/status approaching, they will either approach more or have fewer opportunities.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 10:59     Subject: Re:Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because men and women are different. There are things men do and things women do. And our society has merged the norms together thinking it would liberate. It hasn't.

Grow a pair and make the first move.


It is even more fundamental than this. Gender roles are one thing, biology is another. Men are simply more motivated to pursue romantic/sexual relationships.


Yeah a lot of people will argue that men want sex more than women do and that is the factor that influences this
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 08:41     Subject: Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:Because confidence is attractive. Women don’t like wimps.


This is why women do not make the first move because they are wimps?
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2024 08:35     Subject: Re:Why are men still expected to make the first move?
Anonymous wrote:Because men and women are different. There are things men do and things women do. And our society has merged the norms together thinking it would liberate. It hasn't.

Grow a pair and make the first move.


It is even more fundamental than this. Gender roles are one thing, biology is another. Men are simply more motivated to pursue romantic/sexual relationships.