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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

ok, but some would say you wouldn’t even start to include the SLACS until after 20, where Georgetown and UVA comfortably reside in the second tier of national universities. But some would have a hard time considering Amherst above first tier T20 Rice or WashU

WashU isn't T20

WashU literally spent 30 straight years in the T20, half of which was in the T15. It was only when USNWR changed its methodology last fall that WashU fell outside. It's myopic to say that WashU isn't T20 when it has been for the last 30 and #24 for all of six months.

I have no ties to WashU, but I find the WashU hate by a couple DCUM posters perplexing.

Agree. Also no ties to WashU. Phenomenal school, definitely T15-20

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

You are an ass.

Maybe but I’m also correct.

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

ok, but some would say you wouldn’t even start to include the SLACS until after 20, where Georgetown and UVA comfortably reside in the second tier of national universities. But some would have a hard time considering Amherst above first tier T20 Rice or WashU

WashU isn't T20

WashU literally spent 30 straight years in the T20, half of which was in the T15. It was only when USNWR changed its methodology last fall that WashU fell outside. It's myopic to say that WashU isn't T20 when it has been for the last 30 and #24 for all of six months.

I have no ties to WashU, but I find the WashU hate by a couple DCUM posters perplexing.

Still not T20, they game the rankings

Seek help. Your obsession with WashU is unhealthy and weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

You are an ass.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

You are an ass.

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Most people in Peoria or Paris do not know that Pomona is better or worse than Rice which is better or worse than ND. This includes people making hiring decisions.

Who the f cares for Paris. Part of the problem are these internationals, and Asians who chase the name recall, not the quality of undergrad teaching that forms the rock strong foundation for future success.

I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?

UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.

It's common in my neighborhood for kids that get rejected at UVA to go U Mich. It is hard for kids at large NoVa schools to get into UVA. We had 22 U Michigan admits at our HS (out of 240 students). We had 6 UVA. We had 1 Georgetown. It's almost impossible to get into Georgetown at our NoVA public HS. There are 0-1 admitted each year out of a large class--and if there are more they are almost always legacy.

its hard to get into Georgetown period, but it has nothing to do with the area or the public nature of your school. if anything, this area does better because of legacy and faculty/admin parents.

We have had 0-1 students get into Georgetown at our large public NoVA HS for the past few decades. It's a very hard admit.

I know we're all pretty self centered, but you realize this is true at hundreds of high schools across the country, right?

IMO, as a regular person, HYPSM are the elite schools.

And then there's a huge group below it. From Dartmouth to Michigan, from Williams to Notre Dame. Literally about 40 more schools. These are top schools.

Most people in Peoria or Paris do not know that Pomona is better or worse than Rice which is better or worse than ND. This includes people making hiring decisions.

Here's a thought experiment: Warwick, Leeds, Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, Edinburgh, Kings, UCL, SOAS, St Andrews. I bet you can name the elite schools. But then what? Okay, even if you can take a good guess: how about which are known for CS or Dentistry or IR?

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?

UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.

It's common in my neighborhood for kids that get rejected at UVA to go U Mich. It is hard for kids at large NoVa schools to get into UVA. We had 22 U Michigan admits at our HS (out of 240 students). We had 6 UVA. We had 1 Georgetown. It's almost impossible to get into Georgetown at our NoVA public HS. There are 0-1 admitted each year out of a large class--and if there are more they are almost always legacy.

its hard to get into Georgetown period, but it has nothing to do with the area or the public nature of your school. if anything, this area does better because of legacy and faculty/admin parents.

We have had 0-1 students get into Georgetown at our large public NoVA HS for the past few decades. It's a very hard admit.

So... this can go many ways...Elite in sports? Elite in ranking? Elite in STEM? Elite Law Schools?
Grow up

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?

UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.

It's common in my neighborhood for kids that get rejected at UVA to go U Mich. It is hard for kids at large NoVa schools to get into UVA. We had 22 U Michigan admits at our HS (out of 240 students). We had 6 UVA. We had 1 Georgetown. It's almost impossible to get into Georgetown at our NoVA public HS. There are 0-1 admitted each year out of a large class--and if there are more they are almost always legacy.

its hard to get into Georgetown period, but it has nothing to do with the area or the public nature of your school. if anything, this area does better because of legacy and faculty/admin parents.

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?

UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.

So admission rate determine rate determines level of "eliteness"?

Yes, this is a reasonable standard.

Combine a low admissions rate with a huge endowment fund and there you are !

+1. In addition factor in focus on undergrad teaching. You would have a list of solid elite colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

ok, but some would say you wouldn’t even start to include the SLACS until after 20, where Georgetown and UVA comfortably reside in the second tier of national universities. But some would have a hard time considering Amherst above first tier T20 Rice or WashU

WashU isn't T20

WashU literally spent 30 straight years in the T20, half of which was in the T15. It was only when USNWR changed its methodology last fall that WashU fell outside. It's myopic to say that WashU isn't T20 when it has been for the last 30 and #24 for all of six months.

I have no ties to WashU, but I find the WashU hate by a couple DCUM posters perplexing.

Still not T20, they game the rankings

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?

UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.

So admission rate determine rate determines level of "eliteness"?

Michigan has an overall 18% admission rate. That’s close to UVA, with an overall admission rate of 16%. For engineering and CS, Michigan’s reputation and status as an elite college is much stronger than UVA.

https://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/pubdata/cds/cds_2023-2024_umaa.pdf

This admission rate is dropping like a stone this year-105K applicants in the undergrad pool. Whomever is saying Michigan is an easy admit OOS and esp to CS or anything STEM is talking out of their ass. You do the math. Need Ivy level stats for this admittance-and good thing they are getting the high stat NOVA kids that UVA deems unworthy!!